Mintage numbers for Queen's Beasts 1 ounce gold coins

[RDHC]

As per the title really. Can anyone please tell me what the mintage numbers are -  or were, to be more precise - for the individual Queen's Beasts 1 ounce gold coins? Also, what is , or is likely to be, the number for the current Completer 1 ounce coin? Many thanks.

[Rll1288]

in the RM site under "Coin Sales" you can see (roughly) what the mintage figures were (as its coin sales etc.). That's for all things non bullion and all BUNC and proofs etc. So in 2017 there are details for the Lion of England and Unicorn, 2018 for Red Dragon and Bull, for 2019 and 2020 they may still have details on the RM site under each option of QB

[RDHC]

26 minutes ago, Rll1288 said:

in the RM site under "Coin Sales" you can see (roughly) what the mintage figures were (as its coin sales etc.). That's for all things non bullion and all BUNC and proofs etc. So in 2017 there are details for the Lion of England and Unicorn, 2018 for Red Dragon and Bull, for 2019 and 2020 they may still have details on the RM site under each option of QB

Thank you very much for your helpful and prompt response. I will follow this up.

Roger

[Rll1288]

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[RDHC]

Have looked at 'Coin Sales', but they seem to list only the mintages for the proof coins, not the ordinary ones. Or have I missed something? Quite possible these days!

Roger

4 hours ago, Rll1288 said:

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[Rll1288]

Bullion coins will be many thousands and it won't and yes I don't think they publish those

[motorbikez]

13 minutes ago, rdhcustance said:

Have looked at 'Coin Sales', but they seem to list only the mintages for the proof coins, not the ordinary ones. Or have I missed something? Quite possible these days!

Roger

 

You haven't missed anything pal, for some reason RM keep bullion mintages a secret, they used to list for instance 1oz bullion Britannia mintages but now it is a big secret.

[Roy]

There is some information available, but it will be out of date now.

A long time ago, Pampfan had a FOI request granted. 

I think the RM have zipped it up since then.

 

[RDHC]

I'm very grateful for these further replies and the information therein.

I can only guess that the Mint kept the figures secret so as to give the impression that the mintages for the Beasts series were more limited than they really were.

The probability of quite high numbers in each case for the bullion coins, plus the current large premiums needed to buy nearly all of the Beasts, puts me off any purchase. I think I'll stick to the 'ordinary' Britannias, if I can afford anything like that.

[Frenchie]

On 30/06/2021 at 10:21, rdhcustance said:

I'm very grateful for these further replies and the information therein.

I can only guess that the Mint kept the figures secret so as to give the impression that the mintages for the Beasts series were more limited than they really were.

The probability of quite high numbers in each case for the bullion coins, plus the current large premiums needed to buy nearly all of the Beasts, puts me off any purchase. I think I'll stick to the 'ordinary' Britannias, if I can afford anything like that.

For the same price as a Britannia, you could at least buy the last of the series (White Greyhound) but also and mostly the Completer.  You could have a nice appreciation over time with no risk 

Edited July 1, 2021 by Frenchie

[RDHC]

15 hours ago, Frenchie said:

For the same price as a Britannia, you could at least buy the last of the series (White Greyhound) but also and mostly the Completer.  You could have a nice appreciation over time with no risk 

The Completer is (always has been?) more expensive than the 2021 Britannia, but it is a lovely looking coin and I have bought it as well as a Britannia. The Greyhound does not have the same presence as its predecessor 'Beasts', at least for me, though others may well like it. I always worry about the premium over bullion value that may be required: I hate to think what it now would be for the royal lion in the Beasts series - about 70 or 80 %? For the same reason, when I was buying Victoria 'Young Head, shield reverse' sovereigns, I never went after those with rare dates or errors, being content with the ordinary, but still attractive examples, usually ranging from 'Very Fine' to 'Extremely Fine', but nothing pricier than that.

[Frenchie]

1 hour ago, rdhcustance said:

The Completer is (always has been?) more expensive than the 2021 Britannia, but it is a lovely looking coin and I have bought it as well as a Britannia. The Greyhound does not have the same presence as its predecessor 'Beasts', at least for me, though others may well like it. I always worry about the premium over bullion value that may be required: I hate to think what it now would be for the royal lion in the Beasts series - about 70 or 80 %? For the same reason, when I was buying Victoria 'Young Head, shield reverse' sovereigns, I never went after those with rare dates or errors, being content with the ordinary, but still attractive examples, usually ranging from 'Very Fine' to 'Extremely Fine', but nothing pricier than that.

GSBE offers the Britannia and the White Greyhound for the same price, the completer for just 10€ more. Of course, we are talking here about investment bullion. But for the same price between the Britannia and the QB WGreyhound, even if I like the Britannia, I would chose the QB WG because, it has the potential to gain premium once it is not minted anymore.  On the other side, you will have the Britannia minted all over again year after year with the same design.

Think also that the coins you like the most are the most minted, the less desirable designs  are less minted and you could always have  someone who would like to complete the QB series later...Look at the QB Falcon for example,  considered as a weak design...try to find one at a good price. I think that the Completer is a strong and popular design, but its weakness is the unlimited mintage (but a one time design). If you want to make money , don't buy the design only, think about the popular series and mintage,  and buy cheap ! (don't back date the series)   

Edited July 2, 2021 by Frenchie

[RDHC]

Frenchie,

You make some good points. If and when I have some more money, I'll look again at the Greyhound.

To be honest, I find all of the Mint coins a bit ritzy-glitzy for my taste. I prefer those with some history and patina. That's why I have also ventured into the high value gold coins of the late Spanish and Portuguese Empires in the later 18th and early 19th centuries. And they certainly aren't making those anymore. Even when new, the mintages were pretty small - a few hundred thousand or less, and many/most will have disappeared with the years, like Victorian sovereigns.

I like my coins to be interesting, and to be able to touch them, which is why I avoid the classified/certified ones in their plastic armour.

Good luck with whatever you purchase.

Roger