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up thanks @evende, unfortunately i missed it; as a normal member i could see that thread too late, and the selle didnt contact me.. still looking for

850 gbp you are right. even worse i happily paid 830gbp (if i m not mistaken) for the Sotd coronation sovereign. I have of course no idea about its future value, but that is indeed a once in a life time momentum.

i dont see how a 75th birthday Sotd sovereign can perform well in the future. It is just one amongst a many. 725 gbp is just too high for this coin to get some extra value in the future. Low mintage helps, but you cant compare the coronation sovereign charm and a bithday sotd in my opinion..

as per title, looking for 1983 and 1984 full sovereign, thanks

I have nothing against a company that wants to make money/profit. That's a more than legit goal. I'm not claiming anything special, id just like that my purchase would randomly fall into a "first release" (if they'd play fairly that would just be a matter of %). But if (and that's the case) I pay a full price and what i am buying is methodically chosen at the origin for not being a potential PF70, then i dont quite like it. Out of the several sovs i bought from the RM, i never got a PF70. coincidence? One last thing. If i queue and i manage to purchase let's say a sov within the first minute of release, i'd expect to get one of the first minted... whats the point (as it happened in 2017, 2021, 2022) in buying at 9.00 or 9.01 am and then get a sov with a certificate with 4 digits?

i m strongly tempted not to finance a private company that is selling w/o any respect to their customers. They are purposely keeping all first strikes and sending directly to slab to get all 70s and selling to random people all coins that will get a 69 instead. this is close to a fraud

725 gbp is just killing the market. how can possibly this proof sov keep this value over time? (we are talking about a 90% premium over spot, which is already at its all time high)

i dont think this proof sov will get any additional value anytime soon. It "should" (of course you never know...) be the first of a long (?) series of normal sovereigns.. like the QE fourth design ones...2000-2001-2003-2004 etc etc. Low mintage should help but not that much. I ll grab one nonetheless, but only because i'm doing a year run collection and i find less painful to keep buying the current ones as they get released, rather than taking a break and then having to fill holes.. As for the Sotd i would say 100% is a no go.

isnt 1825 first shield bullion sovereign?

yes, true. But dont forget 1985-1997 only proof sovs were minted..

up to 7500 looks like a fair (finally) amount of full sovereigns, for the market to quickly absorb them and for future sales to keep up their value

if i m not mistaken (i remember the stress while queueing...) the coronation Sotd was released on the 24th of April (and strucked on coronation day, 6th may, my birthday lol)

i m afraid there wont be "normal times" anytime soon

they are making life very difficult for normal collectors to keep up with a run collection per year

but it cant be (if confirmed) 725 gbp for a "standard" sovereign

i m with you 100%. below 10.000 full sovs priced around 500 gbp

this is a thread for those, like me, that are facing a serious withdrawal.... when the 2024 proof sovereign is due? i am now so used to a new sovereign every few months... that i had a terrible terrible summer as my last purchase has been the Coronation sovereign in June.. i barely sleep, i check RM website few times a day, i m not myself anymore! HELP!

Sc391 asked for a F+ value, this is from line 12 to line 15 imo

# Grade Grade code(s) Description 1 Poor PO Clear enough to identify, date may be worn smooth with one side of the coin blanked. Coins that are very badly corroded may also fall under this category. 2 Fair FR Some detail shows 3 About Good AG Readable lettering although very heavily worn. The date and design may be worn smooth. 4 Good G, G4 Rims of the coin are slightly worn, design is visible, but faint in areas, with many parts of the coin worn flat. Peripheral lettering nearly full. 6 Choice Good G+, G6 Rims of the coin are complete. Peripheral lettering is full. 8 Very Good VG, VG8 Slight detail shows, with two to three letters of the word LIBERTY showing in coins with this feature. 10 Choice Very Good VG+, VG10 Slightly clearer design-features, with five or possibly six letters of the word LIBERTY showing in coins with this feature. 12 Fine F, F12 Some deeply recessed areas show detail. All lettering is sharp. The letters in the word LIBERTY show completely in coins with this feature, but may be weak. Moderate to considerable, but even wear throughout the coin. 15 Choice Fine F+, F15 Slightly more detail in the recessed areas of the coin. 20 Very Fine VF, VF20 Moderate wear on the higher surface features. 25 Very Fine VF25 All lettering and major features are sharp. Light to moderate, but even wear is seen on the surface and high points of the coin. 30 Choice Very Fine Ch.VF, VF+, VF30 All lettering and major features are sharp. Light, but even wear is seen on the surface and high points of the coin. 35 Choice Very Fine Ch. VF, VF+, VF35 All lettering and major features are sharp. Light, but even wear is seen on the surface and high points of the coin. Traces of mint luster may show. 40 Extremely Fine/Extra Fine Ex. Fine, EF40 Overall sharpness. Light wear seen at the highest points of the coin. Details of the coin are sharp. Traces of mint luster may show. 45 Choice Extremely Fine Ch. Ex. Fine, EF45 Slight, overall wear is seen at the highest points of the coin (examples being raised features). All the details are full and very sharp. Mint luster may show only in protected areas of the coin's surface (Such as between the star points). 50 About Uncirculated/Almost Uncirculated AU, AU50 Traces of wear at the highest points of the coin. At least half of the original mint luster remains. 55 Choice About Uncirculated Ch. AU, AU55 Three-fourths of the original mint luster remains. 58 Choice About Uncirculated Ch. AU, AU58 Almost all of the original mint luster remains

gold value imo. F is a very poor grading, regardless to the year. 1849 is a young head indeed but not a 1841

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Good morning Louise, and first of all thanks for your posts. Its always great in my opionion to be able to communicate directly with an auctioneer... I have a couple of comments with regard to your auctions (i think i bought a couple of times in the past); - as pointed already, 0% commission works more on menthal basis than concretely.. assuming all bidders are participating with a fully awareness of the value of lots/coins, they will just adjust their maximum bid-s according to the rights on hammer... but, as you surely know, an auction brings also variuos irrational aspects, and the 0% commission has indeed a strong impact...but if you correctly want to be "tempting" for the buyers (and thats where i have been criticising in the past) i dont understand why sometimes (often?) your starting prices are just "finished" ones. I'm ok with a reserve, which will always protect the owner of a lot, but i know from personal experience that i m much more interested and intrigued in participating (just inventing..) to a lot where my maximum final bid/limit is 500gbp if this lot starts at 300 rather than 480. Everyone that participates in an auction wants (or likes to think he's going to) get a bargain. Even few pounds. Otherwise why bothering? there are dealers around, and severals, for fixed and "finished" prices. Also, when you are in a bid war, you might end (it happened to me few times) up paying more (sometimes much more!) than your original maximum limit. Bid fever i call it. Too high entring prices kill all of that - why are all of your lots listed randomly? what would be the advantage on that? sometimes i have few time to check auctions and lots and if they are listed in a chronological (or per type) order i can quickly assess if there s something i m interested in. When it comes to CoTR i find the list confusing and time consuming, and i risk to miss something i m interested in (and that is a potential loss for you) hope this helps, best regards Alberto

as said before, Gillicks were never meant to circulate, and they are normally found in Mint State. In my opnion, once this top pop bubble/mania will be over, many will cry holding an overpaid bullion (i see crazy ms67 going for 1500 gbp) which will hold a little numismatic premium. Millions were minted... and as more and more go for the certification, i guess there will be more and more iper super ultra top, meaning that prices will drop

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