ChrisSilver

£16

£11

£10 

Item: 🐒 2016 Perth Mint Lunar Series Monkey - 1/2oz Silver Proof Coin. No box or COA, just the coin.
Condition: Condition looks exceptional, supplied in original capsule, has never been removed from capsule by me. 
Starting Time and Date: Entry open for bidding. Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time.
Starting Price:  Starting price of 25pence, £0.25. Minimum Bid increasement £0.25, Maximum bid increment value £1. Please do try to keep within these limits though undoubtedly there will be some who do not read this in full and out of ease their bids will still be valid, please do however try to keep within this min/max bid increment limit  
Ending Time and Date: Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time. (Note that bids received at 00:00 will be not valid, 23:59:xx is the latest valid bid time)

The forum will automatically order posts based on who submitted first. Order on this thread is the order of bids. The thread posts contain timestamps,
Set Increments: 
Minimum Bid increasement £0.25 Maximum bid increment value £1. Winning Bidder: The winning bidder is the person who has made the highest bid at the point the auction closes. In the unlikely event that the highest bidder pulls out or reneges on their final bid, I will contact second place, third place etc. accordingly. 
Item Location: Item is located in the UK.
Shipping: Please add £6 to the final auction price for Royal Mail Special Delivery. It is possible to send via a slightly cheaper method, though buyer to assume all risk. Sending Special Delivery is recommended as tracked and insured! To confirm the bid you enter below is the bid for the item only, please add £6 after the auction has ended to the final bid to get the total including shipping. 
Shipping destinations: Shipping to UK, can ship outside of UK at buyers risk / additional cost for shipping. 
Payment Terms: Payment by Bank Transfer in GBP only
Dispatch Time: Can be dispatched next week after the the auction has ended, will try to ship as soon as I am available to do so after bidding has ended and payment has been received. 
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£10.50

£2 did I win
No then
£10.25 how about now

10.00 

Item: 🇦🇺This auction is for 2 items, the winner of the auction will receive both. 2x Decimal Designs in perspective. 2017 High Relief 2c Silver Proof Coin, and a 2017 1c High Relief Silver Proof Coin. From the Royal Australian Mint. Very Nice coins though the relief is not very HR in my opinion the decisions of the coins are very nice, please see photos. 

Each weighing 1 troy oz and only 1500 mintage for each design. 
Condition: Condition looks exceptional on coins, both supplied in original capsules, boxed and cased with COAs. 
Starting Time and Date: Entry open for bidding. Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time.
Starting Price:  Starting price of 25pence, £0.25. Minimum Bid increasement £0.25, Maximum bid increment value £1. Please do try to keep within these limits though undoubtedly there will be some who do not read this in full and out of ease their bids will still be valid, please do however try to keep within this min/max bid increment limit  
Ending Time and Date: Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time. (Note that bids received at 00:00 will be not valid, 23:59:xx is the latest valid bid time)

The forum will automatically order posts based on who submitted first. Order on this thread is the order of bids. The thread posts contain timestamps,
Set Increments: 
Minimum Bid increasement £0.25 Maximum bid increment value £1. Winning Bidder: The winning bidder is the person who has made the highest bid at the point the auction closes. In the unlikely event that the highest bidder pulls out or reneges on their final bid, I will contact second place, third place etc. accordingly. 
Item Location: Item is located in the UK.
Shipping: Please add £6 to the final auction price for Royal Mail Special Delivery. It is possible to send via a slightly cheaper method, though buyer to assume all risk. Sending Special Delivery is recommended as tracked and insured! To confirm the bid you enter below is the bid for the item only, please add £6 after the auction has ended to the final bid to get the total including shipping. 

Can be combined with my other auction/s that are on and ending at the same time to save on shipping cost. 
Shipping destinations: Shipping to UK, can ship outside of UK at buyers risk / additional cost for shipping. 
Payment Terms: Payment by Bank Transfer in GBP only
Dispatch Time: Can be dispatched next week after the the auction has ended, will try to ship as soon as I am available to do so after bidding has ended and payment has been received. 
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Any other details that need to be clarified please let me know and I can update  if someone bids at the same time as you and you wish to submit a higher big, please do so in a new comment rather than editing out the old one as this will be easier for others following. 

Ill get it started with £0.25, im feeling like a big spender 
Dam you beat me, to it 🤣

£1🤔

Whats the weight of the coins @ChrisSilver?

Item: 🐒 2016 Perth Mint Lunar Series Monkey - 1/2oz Silver Proof Coin. No box or COA, just the coin.
Condition: Condition looks exceptional, supplied in original capsule, has never been removed from capsule by me. 
Starting Time and Date: Entry open for bidding. Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time.
Starting Price:  Starting price of 25pence, £0.25. Minimum Bid increasement £0.25, Maximum bid increment value £1. Please do try to keep within these limits though undoubtedly there will be some who do not read this in full and out of ease their bids will still be valid, please do however try to keep within this min/max bid increment limit  
Ending Time and Date: Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time. (Note that bids received at 00:00 will be not valid, 23:59:xx is the latest valid bid time)

The forum will automatically order posts based on who submitted first. Order on this thread is the order of bids. The thread posts contain timestamps,
Set Increments: 
Minimum Bid increasement £0.25 Maximum bid increment value £1. Winning Bidder: The winning bidder is the person who has made the highest bid at the point the auction closes. In the unlikely event that the highest bidder pulls out or reneges on their final bid, I will contact second place, third place etc. accordingly. 
Item Location: Item is located in the UK.
Shipping: Please add £6 to the final auction price for Royal Mail Special Delivery. It is possible to send via a slightly cheaper method, though buyer to assume all risk. Sending Special Delivery is recommended as tracked and insured! To confirm the bid you enter below is the bid for the item only, please add £6 after the auction has ended to the final bid to get the total including shipping. 
Shipping destinations: Shipping to UK, can ship outside of UK at buyers risk / additional cost for shipping. 
Payment Terms: Payment by Bank Transfer in GBP only
Dispatch Time: Can be dispatched next week after the the auction has ended, will try to ship as soon as I am available to do so after bidding has ended and payment has been received. 
Photos: 





Any other details that need to be clarified please let me know and I can update  

Item: 🇦🇺This auction is for 2 items, the winner of the auction will receive both. 2x Decimal Designs in perspective. 2017 High Relief 2c Silver Proof Coin, and a 2017 1c High Relief Silver Proof Coin. From the Royal Australian Mint. Very Nice coins though the relief is not very HR in my opinion the decisions of the coins are very nice, please see photos. 

Each weighing 1 troy oz and only 1500 mintage for each design. 
Condition: Condition looks exceptional on coins, both supplied in original capsules, boxed and cased with COAs. 
Starting Time and Date: Entry open for bidding. Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time.
Starting Price:  Starting price of 25pence, £0.25. Minimum Bid increasement £0.25, Maximum bid increment value £1. Please do try to keep within these limits though undoubtedly there will be some who do not read this in full and out of ease their bids will still be valid, please do however try to keep within this min/max bid increment limit  
Ending Time and Date: Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time. (Note that bids received at 00:00 will be not valid, 23:59:xx is the latest valid bid time)

The forum will automatically order posts based on who submitted first. Order on this thread is the order of bids. The thread posts contain timestamps,
Set Increments: 
Minimum Bid increasement £0.25 Maximum bid increment value £1. Winning Bidder: The winning bidder is the person who has made the highest bid at the point the auction closes. In the unlikely event that the highest bidder pulls out or reneges on their final bid, I will contact second place, third place etc. accordingly. 
Item Location: Item is located in the UK.
Shipping: Please add £6 to the final auction price for Royal Mail Special Delivery. It is possible to send via a slightly cheaper method, though buyer to assume all risk. Sending Special Delivery is recommended as tracked and insured! To confirm the bid you enter below is the bid for the item only, please add £6 after the auction has ended to the final bid to get the total including shipping. 

Can be combined with my other auction/s that are on and ending at the same time to save on shipping cost. 
Shipping destinations: Shipping to UK, can ship outside of UK at buyers risk / additional cost for shipping. 
Payment Terms: Payment by Bank Transfer in GBP only
Dispatch Time: Can be dispatched next week after the the auction has ended, will try to ship as soon as I am available to do so after bidding has ended and payment has been received. 
Photos: 















Any other details that need to be clarified please let me know and I can update  if someone bids at the same time as you and you wish to submit a higher big, please do so in a new comment rather than editing out the old one as this will be easier for others following. 

Item: 🇦🇺This auction is for 2 items, the winner of the auction will receive both. 2x Decimal Designs in perspective. 2017 High Relief 2c Silver Proof Coin, and a 2017 1c High Relief Silver Proof Coin. From the Royal Australian Mint. Very Nice coins though the relief is not very HR in my opinion the decisions of the coins are very nice, please see photos. 

Each weighing 1 troy oz and only 1500 mintage for each design. 
Condition: Condition looks exceptional on coins, both supplied in original capsules, boxed and cased with COAs. 
Starting Time and Date: Entry open for bidding. Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time.
Starting Price:  Starting price of 25pence, £0.25. Minimum Bid increasement £0.25, Maximum bid increment value £1. Please do try to keep within these limits though undoubtedly there will be some who do not read this in full and out of ease their bids will still be valid, please do however try to keep within this min/max bid increment limit  
Ending Time and Date: Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time. (Note that bids received at 00:00 will be not valid, 23:59:xx is the latest valid bid time)

The forum will automatically order posts based on who submitted first. Order on this thread is the order of bids. The thread posts contain timestamps,
Set Increments: 
Minimum Bid increasement £0.25 Maximum bid increment value £1. Winning Bidder: The winning bidder is the person who has made the highest bid at the point the auction closes. In the unlikely event that the highest bidder pulls out or reneges on their final bid, I will contact second place, third place etc. accordingly. 
Item Location: Item is located in the UK.
Shipping: Please add £6 to the final auction price for Royal Mail Special Delivery. It is possible to send via a slightly cheaper method, though buyer to assume all risk. Sending Special Delivery is recommended as tracked and insured! To confirm the bid you enter below is the bid for the item only, please add £6 after the auction has ended to the final bid to get the total including shipping. 

Can be combined with my other auction/s that are on and ending at the same time to save on shipping cost. 
Shipping destinations: Shipping to UK, can ship outside of UK at buyers risk / additional cost for shipping. 
Payment Terms: Payment by Bank Transfer in GBP only
Dispatch Time: Can be dispatched next week after the the auction has ended, will try to ship as soon as I am available to do so after bidding has ended and payment has been received. 
Photos: 















Any other details that need to be clarified please let me know and I can update  if someone bids at the same time as you and you wish to submit a higher big, please do so in a new comment rather than editing out the old one as this will be easier for others following. 

Item: 🐦 2015 Perth Mint Anniversary Kookaburra Being Coin Fair Limited edition 1/2oz Silver Proof Coin - Max Mintage 2000 as per COA
Condition: Condition looks exceptional, supplied in original capsule, boxed and cased with COA
Starting Time and Date: Entry open for bidding. Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time.
Starting Price:  Starting price of 25pence, £0.25. Minimum Bid increasement £0.25, Maximum bid increment value £1. Please do try to keep within these limits though undoubtedly there will be some who do not read this in full and out of ease their bids will still be valid, please do however try to keep within this min/max bid increment limit  
Ending Time and Date: Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time. (Note that bids received at 00:00 will be not valid, 23:59:xx is the latest valid bid time)

The forum will automatically order posts based on who submitted first. Order on this thread is the order of bids. The thread posts contain timestamps,
Set Increments: 
Minimum Bid increasement £0.25 Maximum bid increment value £1. Winning Bidder: The winning bidder is the person who has made the highest bid at the point the auction closes. In the unlikely event that the highest bidder pulls out or reneges on their final bid, I will contact second place, third place etc. accordingly. 
Item Location: Item is located in the UK.
Shipping: Please add £6 to the final auction price for Royal Mail Special Delivery. It is possible to send via a slightly cheaper method, though buyer to assume all risk. Sending Special Delivery is recommended as tracked and insured! To confirm the bid you enter below is the bid for the item only, please add £6 after the auction has ended to the final bid to get the total including shipping. 

Can be combined with my other auction/s that are on and ending at the same time to save on shipping cost. 
Shipping destinations: Shipping to UK, can ship outside of UK at buyers risk / additional cost for shipping. 
Payment Terms: Payment by Bank Transfer in GBP only
Dispatch Time: Can be dispatched next week after the the auction has ended, will try to ship as soon as I am available to do so after bidding has ended and payment has been received. 
Photos: 








Any other details that need to be clarified please let me know and I can update  if someone bids at the same time as you and you wish to submit a higher big, please do so in a new comment rather than editing out the old one as this will be easier for others following. 

Item: 🇦🇺This auction is for 2 items, the winner of the auction will receive both. 2x Decimal Designs in perspective. 2017 High Relief 2c Silver Proof Coin, and a 2017 1c High Relief Silver Proof Coin. From the Royal Australian Mint. Very Nice coins though the relief is not very HR in my opinion the decisions of the coins are very nice, please see photos. 

Each weighing 1 troy oz and only 1500 mintage for each design. 
Condition: Condition looks exceptional on coins, both supplied in original capsules, boxed and cased with COAs. 
Starting Time and Date: Entry open for bidding. Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time.
Starting Price:  Starting price of 25pence, £0.25. Minimum Bid increasement £0.25, Maximum bid increment value £1. Please do try to keep within these limits though undoubtedly there will be some who do not read this in full and out of ease their bids will still be valid, please do however try to keep within this min/max bid increment limit  
Ending Time and Date: Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time. (Note that bids received at 00:00 will be not valid, 23:59:xx is the latest valid bid time)

The forum will automatically order posts based on who submitted first. Order on this thread is the order of bids. The thread posts contain timestamps,
Set Increments: 
Minimum Bid increasement £0.25 Maximum bid increment value £1. Winning Bidder: The winning bidder is the person who has made the highest bid at the point the auction closes. In the unlikely event that the highest bidder pulls out or reneges on their final bid, I will contact second place, third place etc. accordingly. 
Item Location: Item is located in the UK.
Shipping: Please add £6 to the final auction price for Royal Mail Special Delivery. It is possible to send via a slightly cheaper method, though buyer to assume all risk. Sending Special Delivery is recommended as tracked and insured! To confirm the bid you enter below is the bid for the item only, please add £6 after the auction has ended to the final bid to get the total including shipping. 

Can be combined with my other auction/s that are on and ending at the same time to save on shipping cost. 
Shipping destinations: Shipping to UK, can ship outside of UK at buyers risk / additional cost for shipping. 
Payment Terms: Payment by Bank Transfer in GBP only
Dispatch Time: Can be dispatched next week after the the auction has ended, will try to ship as soon as I am available to do so after bidding has ended and payment has been received. 
Photos: 















Any other details that need to be clarified please let me know and I can update  if someone bids at the same time as you and you wish to submit a higher big, please do so in a new comment rather than editing out the old one as this will be easier for others following. 

Item: 🐒 2016 Perth Mint Lunar Series Monkey - 1/2oz Silver Proof Coin. No box or COA, just the coin.
Condition: Condition looks exceptional, supplied in original capsule, has never been removed from capsule by me. 
Starting Time and Date: Entry open for bidding. Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time.
Starting Price:  Starting price of 25pence, £0.25. Minimum Bid increasement £0.25, Maximum bid increment value £1. Please do try to keep within these limits though undoubtedly there will be some who do not read this in full and out of ease their bids will still be valid, please do however try to keep within this min/max bid increment limit  
Ending Time and Date: Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time. (Note that bids received at 00:00 will be not valid, 23:59:xx is the latest valid bid time)

The forum will automatically order posts based on who submitted first. Order on this thread is the order of bids. The thread posts contain timestamps,
Set Increments: 
Minimum Bid increasement £0.25 Maximum bid increment value £1. Winning Bidder: The winning bidder is the person who has made the highest bid at the point the auction closes. In the unlikely event that the highest bidder pulls out or reneges on their final bid, I will contact second place, third place etc. accordingly. 
Item Location: Item is located in the UK.
Shipping: Please add £6 to the final auction price for Royal Mail Special Delivery. It is possible to send via a slightly cheaper method, though buyer to assume all risk. Sending Special Delivery is recommended as tracked and insured! To confirm the bid you enter below is the bid for the item only, please add £6 after the auction has ended to the final bid to get the total including shipping. 
Shipping destinations: Shipping to UK, can ship outside of UK at buyers risk / additional cost for shipping. 
Payment Terms: Payment by Bank Transfer in GBP only
Dispatch Time: Can be dispatched next week after the the auction has ended, will try to ship as soon as I am available to do so after bidding has ended and payment has been received. 
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Any other details that need to be clarified please let me know and I can update  

So number 10 arrived this morning! So here's my first Oz of 1/10th coins and rounds. It's not the run I set out to do, wanted them all to be currency for the first 10, then currency or rounds for the second ten but with no duplicate mints.
2006 Saltwater Croc
2015 Brittania
2011 Panda.
2008 French 100 euro.
1999 American Eagle
1996 Singapore Lion
2021 Kookaburra
2018 Libertad
1980 Krugerrand
UAE Burj Khalifa round.
So that's 7 showing dollars , pounds , euros etc and 3 rounds but ones a duplicate mint! Couldn't resist a Kook for collection! 
So need 4 more showing cash value and then another 7 from different mints giving a total of 21. Alas need to get some fait in the bank so spending on hold for a bit! 
Got this far with help from @stefffana without whom this would've never had some interesting pieces and @Mtaybarfor getting the Lib sorted. 
Thank you both.
Worryingly I seem to have started a 1/25th run as 2 on their way. 
 
 
 

Item: 🐒 2016 Perth Mint Lunar Series Monkey - 1/2oz Silver Proof Coin. No box or COA, just the coin.
Condition: Condition looks exceptional, supplied in original capsule, has never been removed from capsule by me. 
Starting Time and Date: Entry open for bidding. Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time.
Starting Price:  Starting price of 25pence, £0.25. Minimum Bid increasement £0.25, Maximum bid increment value £1. Please do try to keep within these limits though undoubtedly there will be some who do not read this in full and out of ease their bids will still be valid, please do however try to keep within this min/max bid increment limit  
Ending Time and Date: Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time. (Note that bids received at 00:00 will be not valid, 23:59:xx is the latest valid bid time)

The forum will automatically order posts based on who submitted first. Order on this thread is the order of bids. The thread posts contain timestamps,
Set Increments: 
Minimum Bid increasement £0.25 Maximum bid increment value £1. Winning Bidder: The winning bidder is the person who has made the highest bid at the point the auction closes. In the unlikely event that the highest bidder pulls out or reneges on their final bid, I will contact second place, third place etc. accordingly. 
Item Location: Item is located in the UK.
Shipping: Please add £6 to the final auction price for Royal Mail Special Delivery. It is possible to send via a slightly cheaper method, though buyer to assume all risk. Sending Special Delivery is recommended as tracked and insured! To confirm the bid you enter below is the bid for the item only, please add £6 after the auction has ended to the final bid to get the total including shipping. 
Shipping destinations: Shipping to UK, can ship outside of UK at buyers risk / additional cost for shipping. 
Payment Terms: Payment by Bank Transfer in GBP only
Dispatch Time: Can be dispatched next week after the the auction has ended, will try to ship as soon as I am available to do so after bidding has ended and payment has been received. 
Photos: 





Any other details that need to be clarified please let me know and I can update  

A Change to the Ranks
Looking at the curvature of the rank progression chart, ideally the points needed for some higher rank tiers need to be increased again (e.g. Veteran and Grand Master levels) so that the time between progression through each rank lines up, the higher up the higher ranks you go the longer time it is supposed to take to then progress onto the next highest one. However despite some small changes/increases that are ideally needed to the points required, I have decided to keep the rank points required for each level fixed at the levels which we had set last time.

In other rank news though:

Avid NBS members, please do take a seat before reading the next paragraph. 🪑 Please also do continue to read through the entire post below as it explains some of the reasoning behind this.  

In short: The NBS topic will be excluded from rank points and ranks will be recounted. It will still be possible to earn reputation points from posts in this section though.

The reason is because TSF is a precious metals forum. And whilst I have allowed this topic to remain under the conditions set out, TSF is foremost a precious metals forum and I believe rank points should be earned for posting positive and helpful precious metals related posts and topics. TSF must remain professional to attract the highest amount of industry representatives and dealers to our community and our main focus and hobby/investment that connects us all here is of course precious metals.

Regrettably I will also exclude the non PM section from earning rank points from fear that this section could be abused due to the change above. The non PM section was originally created for members to share information about their other hobbies, non PM antiques, politics and economics and other interests members may have. And whilst this is still the case there was one topic (the NBS) which ended up on a different path and had been sectioned.

We understand that some may not like these changes, specifically those who post a lot in the NBS topic and have gained higher ranks because of their posts within this topic. Please however remember that TSF is a precious metals forum, and likely if you are an avid poster across all of the forum and not just in the NBS topic your rank will reflect this. There were a lot of members who fed back via private message their suggestion for the rank system to be based on precious metals content only, and their reasoning makes sense.

New members to TSF may be confused by this ranking system and believe that those members with higher ranks have contributed more precious metals content when in reality they have been joking around in the NBS topic.

For the majority this should not affect your rank in relation to other members as the majority of members who post in the NBS topic also happen to be the most active on the forum in general and also contribute a lot of precious metals related topics and posts and help other members, so these members will naturally gain the higher ranks anyway. Many thanks to all these members who post a lot of precious metals related content as well

Please also note that you will still earn reputation points for your topics and posts shared in the non PM section and NBS topic. Which we believe is a fair compromise. 

This new way of counting points towards rank will mean that it is fairer across the board, members who contribute a lot of high quality precious metals content and help other members out but who do not post much or at all in the NBS and non PM section of the forum will have a similar rank level to other members who post a lot of high quality precious metals content and post in the NBS topic too. The system is based on the quality and amount of precious metals content that is added to to The Silver Forum - the world’s precious metals forum.

We hope that members understand the reasons for this change. We also hope now that we will not need to adjust the ranks system again in the future.

Thank you to all the members who post helpful and informative precious metals content.  This process may take a few days as some time consuming adjustments need to be made within the admin area. 

Please also do see our latest large promotional draw which we have put up here:
 
 

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Item: 🐒 2016 Perth Mint Lunar Series Monkey - 1/2oz Silver Proof Coin. No box or COA, just the coin.
Condition: Condition looks exceptional, supplied in original capsule, has never been removed from capsule by me. 
Starting Time and Date: Entry open for bidding. Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time.
Starting Price:  Starting price of 25pence, £0.25. Minimum Bid increasement £0.25, Maximum bid increment value £1. Please do try to keep within these limits though undoubtedly there will be some who do not read this in full and out of ease their bids will still be valid, please do however try to keep within this min/max bid increment limit  
Ending Time and Date: Closes Monday 17th July at 23:59 UK time. (Note that bids received at 00:00 will be not valid, 23:59:xx is the latest valid bid time)

The forum will automatically order posts based on who submitted first. Order on this thread is the order of bids. The thread posts contain timestamps,
Set Increments: 
Minimum Bid increasement £0.25 Maximum bid increment value £1. Winning Bidder: The winning bidder is the person who has made the highest bid at the point the auction closes. In the unlikely event that the highest bidder pulls out or reneges on their final bid, I will contact second place, third place etc. accordingly. 
Item Location: Item is located in the UK.
Shipping: Please add £6 to the final auction price for Royal Mail Special Delivery. It is possible to send via a slightly cheaper method, though buyer to assume all risk. Sending Special Delivery is recommended as tracked and insured! To confirm the bid you enter below is the bid for the item only, please add £6 after the auction has ended to the final bid to get the total including shipping. 
Shipping destinations: Shipping to UK, can ship outside of UK at buyers risk / additional cost for shipping. 
Payment Terms: Payment by Bank Transfer in GBP only
Dispatch Time: Can be dispatched next week after the the auction has ended, will try to ship as soon as I am available to do so after bidding has ended and payment has been received. 
Photos: 





Any other details that need to be clarified please let me know and I can update  

The more I look, the more I'm thinking, I need to start collecting Kooks

Two Kooks appeared this morning