A sep or nor 1870 sovereign?

[JJH]

Let me ask a question. I have a 1870 die no1 sovereign, ww incuse. I found that it is different. The portrait is different from the ww raise. It looks better and the hair is different. I got this gold coin from Japan. The seller only Tell me this coin is very special. I just discovered it now. I searched online and found that there is very little information. Except that Chard once sold one and said that there were two portraits in 1870, only the coin cabinet once had two samples in 2021. This version Very rare?

[stefffana]

I don't know, but I am sure @dicker can help you.🤗

Edited January 2 by stefffana

[SidS]

Off the top of my head, both varieties were issued during the 1860s and early 1870s. I'm not sure how rare or not any particular date is, I'm not sure how much research has been done - I know that the lauded Marsh catalogue never went that far.

I can tell you though that some dates nearly always seem to be the raised variety and others the Incuse.

[JJH]

47 minutes ago, SidS said:

Off the top of my head, both varieties were issued during the 1860s and early 1870s. I'm not sure how rare or not any particular date is, I'm not sure how much research has been done - I know that the lauded Marsh catalogue never went that far.

I can tell you though that some dates nearly always seem to be the raised variety and others the Incuse.

Thank you. In fact, it was mainly because I found many dealers or individuals selling 1870s and auction files on the Internet. In fact, except for the three examples mentioned above, all of them were raises, which made me feel that things were a bit interesting(if I will pickbup a great treasure), and one of die of No1 is a raise, which makes me wonder if when the incuse die cracked (the crack between a and d on the upper left, which appeared on mine and another coin and no other die coin is incuse type), they then replaced it with the raise die, and it seems that there is only one set die of incuse.

[SidS]

It's very probable that the incuses were left over dies being used up.

From memory in about 1853/4 they switched (gradually over a number of years) from raised WW to the incuse type. The incuse types became the main type through to the early 1870s when a new obverse design was created and it had the WW raised.

I don't have my Coincraft or Seaby catalogues at hand to give the exact dates etc.

There may be some information on the Chards website about specific dates and their types.

It's questions like this when you wish Lawrence Chard was here!

Edited January 2 by SidS

[dicker]

It’s an interesting one.  I haven’t seen one before.

I think @SidS is probably right about die re-use.  

[Britannia47]

https://goldsovereigns.co.uk/1870victoriashield.html

Chards info. @JJH

Plus my Marsh 54N with WW Relief/Raised - Die No. 92…..pity it’s not a proof 1870 with die No. 1  (R6) !
 

Edited January 3 by Britannia47