Gold sovereign book

[BipolarStacker]

Does anyone have the gold sovereign series book for sale if so please let me know thank you 

[Foster88]

Someone may be able to help you with a second hand book but it is still available from Token Publishing.

https://www.tokenpublishing.com/shop/product/8058/16

[Olivard]

6 hours ago, Foster88 said:

Someone may be able to help you with a second hand book but it is still available from Token Publishing.

https://www.tokenpublishing.com/shop/product/8058/16

Does anyone know if it is likely to be updated soon?  Been wondering if I should buy it or wait?

[CaptCaveMan]

4 hours ago, Olivard said:

Does anyone know if it is likely to be updated soon?  Been wondering if I should buy it or wait?

No idea, I did call them regarding updates to the price list which did state would be regularly updated but nothing.

Edit: To be fair, I didn't expect an annual release and believe the last publication was in 2021?

Edited September 6, 2023 by CaptCaveMan

[Silverlocks]

5 hours ago, Olivard said:

Does anyone know if it is likely to be updated soon?  Been wondering if I should buy it or wait?

Maybe, but I don't think it matters so much.  Get the current edition of Spink if you want prices.  The Gold Sovereign is good for reference, but the price information in Spink is better as it covers multiple grades.  Pricing in the booklet that comes with Marsh only covers EF grade coins.

 

[Olivard]

1 hour ago, CaptCaveMan said:

No idea, I did call them regarding updates to the price list which did state would be regularly updated but nothing.

Edit: To be fair, I didn't expect an annual release and believe the last publication was in 2021?

 

1 hour ago, Silverlocks said:

Maybe, but I don't think it matters so much.  Get the current edition of Spink if you want prices.  The Gold Sovereign is good for reference, but the price information in Spink is better as it covers multiple grades.  Pricing in the booklet that comes with Marsh only covers EF grade coins.

 

Thank you for the advice. Much appreciated.

[Spyder]

@Silverlocks Could you put up a photo of what you regard as EF grade. I  am sure many would appreciate it. 

[Silverlocks]

35 minutes ago, Spyder said:

@Silverlocks Could you put up a photo of what you regard as EF grade. I  am sure many would appreciate it. 

These Edward VII sovs would be in the EF range - the top and left are in slightly better condition than the right.

• The lighting highlights the original mint finish, which is still present on most of the coin.  It does bring up the luster (which was the intention with this shot) so it's a little bit more worn than the photos would suggest.  Maybe you could argue for AboutUNC on the top one but they've definitely got a bit of wear from circulation.
• There are minor handling marks on the coin, but no major scratches or deep edge knocks (although minor edge damage).  Strictly speaking this sort of stuff would be non-grading damage at this level, but some folks wouldn't like it so you might not realise an 'EF' price for the coins.
• There isn't a lot of wear on the telltale bits of the coin, (e.g. Ed's ears or the hair).  

You could go a bit worse than this and still be in the EFs.  The defining characteristics of EF are some original finish and only minor wear at best on the highlights.  For example, on an EF shield, you would expect to make out the detail in the faces of the lions on the shield.  For aboutUNC or better grades, all the original finish should be visible, even if there are some handling marks.  For VF grades, the finish can be worn off, and some visible wear on the detail is permissible.

Allen's book is a good source for this sort of information - it has photos of every obverse and reverse design in various conditions from Fair to EF.

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Silverlocks

[Silverlocks]

aboutVF to VF	Obverse would be VF - some flat patches on Victoria's hair.  On the reverse, most of the detail is worn away from the Lion's faces, and there is noticeable flattening on the thistle, rose and shamrock at 6 O'clock.

VF	VF obverse (arguably the 1855's obverse is in better condition) with some wear visible in Victoria's hair and ribbons.  On the reverse, the detail on the lion's faces, rose, thistle and shamrock at the botton and the crown at the top is in better condition.

goodVF	Colour is due to recalibrating the camera halfway through the shoot.  Visibly less wear on Victoria's hair and ribbons, with only minor wear visible.  On the reverse, detail of the lions'faces on the shield shows minor wear, flatter on the bottom right quarter of the shield.  Other detail shows some wear but most is still visible.

aboutEF	Detail on obverse in good condition.  This lighting doesn't show it, but some of the original finish is still visible on the obverse, and a good deal of it on the reverse.  Apart from one ding in the upper right quadrant of the shield, the reverse is in pretty good nick with most of the detail visible.  Reverse is arguably EF - certainly I've seen coins in worse nick than this advertised on various dealer sites as EF.

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Silverlocks

[Silverlocks]

goodVF-aboutEF	GoodVF-AboutEF.  The detail on the lace, garter medal and hairline are all in pretty good nick on the obverse.  Some wear is visible in the hotspots on the reverse - reins, dragon's chest and George's helmet.  Obverse is maybe aboutEF with the reverse goodVF.

aboutUNC	This one is in pretty good nick, with a fair bit of the original mint finish still visible on the coin.  There is very little wear on the detail on the obverse and reverse, and only minor handling marks.

Edited September 6, 2023 by Silverlocks

[Silverlocks]

goodVF	A little bit of wear on the hotspots on the reverse - you can see flat patches on George's helmet and the dragon's chest, plus a bit of wear on Victoria's diadem, garter and hairline.

aboutEF	Not quite EF - there's a bit of visible wear on Victoria's garter, and on the hot spots on the reverse.  Otherwise, this coin is in pretty good nick.

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Silverlocks

[Roy]

Are you just using your eye, or good res screen or software?

My eyesight is not what it was 😎

Pls attempt to grade this.

 

 

[Silverlocks]

aboutEF	A little bit of wear in the hot spots on the reverse.  Some marks on the obverse that would really be non-grading at this level; there is a little bit of visible wear on the details of Ed's hair on the obverse.  Eds aren't easy to grade as the detail on the De Saulle portrait doesn't have a lot of relief to begin with.

EF - maybe goodEF	This one is pretty nice, with the original mint finish visible across most of the obverse, and very little wear in Ed's hair or on his ear.  Minor wear is visible on the reverse on the horse's reins, but most of the detail is still intact.

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Silverlocks

[Silverlocks]

1 minute ago, Roy said:

Are you just using your eye, or good res screen or software?

My eyesight is not what it was 😎

Pls attempt to grade this.

 

 

Fair amount of wear on the lions' faces.  That would be aboutVF on the reverse and VF on the obverse.

My eyesight is old and decrepit.  I have to use photos or magnify the coin to really see the detail.

 

[Roy]

1 minute ago, Silverlocks said:

My eyesight is old and decrepit.  I have to use photos or magnify the coin to really see the detail.

 

Thanks, I'm not the only one 😁

[Roy]

Some coins look too good eh?

 

[Silverlocks]

9 minutes ago, Roy said:

Some coins look too good eh?

 

The obverse is in fairly good nick on this one - detail of the lace and the garter is still visible, and Victoria's hairline is a bit worn but she's not quite at the kewpie doll stage.  In this light the coin looks like it may have been polished, though.

[Roy]

1 minute ago, Silverlocks said:

In this light the coin looks like it may have been polished, though.

Yes, that was my worry too.

A bullion purchase, c'est la vie 😊

[Silverlocks]

@Spyder - added some examples in various grades from pics I've taken.  See above.

Edited September 6, 2023 by Silverlocks