Need help/advice with gold from USA

[Clens92]

3 hours ago, Alex said:

They should change their product description from ''NEW UNCIRCULATED'' to ''secondhand pre-owned stock''.You call me an absolute nightmare buyer like you are the Atkinsons or Chards owner.There were a fair amount of forum members who agreed with my opinions.You call everybody an ''nightmare'' just because they have a different opinion?You see a 9 but is see a 6.You call it bullion I call it coin because is round and flat.A modern coin can be rare in the future,you`ll never know.You worship the Double Eagle it seems but compared with the buffalo I find the design boring...but that`s just my opinion.Many people chose the Morgan over the Peace dollar but I worship the Peace dollar.You do seem to collect coins that you like but you do not seem to empathise with other collectors.If you want to teach me then change your approach as I find it very toxic/bitter.Indeed,the weather is dreadful...Peace!

''Hole - a hollow place in a solid body or surface''

Actually, I was the one who stuck up for you... how quickly you seem to forget.  I was the only one to actually defend your right to moan, if I remember.

Your ignorance of numismatics and terminology is undermining any legitimate argument you might have.  Your attitude is rotten and I can't imagine that you'll ever be happy with a purchase because you expect numismatic condition at bullion prices.  If you want numimatic condition, pay a fair price and stop moaning like a petulant child every time you don't get your own way.

Thus far, you appear to have bought from Atkinsons (a negative experience), Chard (a negative experience) and now potentially MCM (dare I say it, probably going to be a negative experience) ... I will await your "My MCM Customer Experience" thread with baited breath.

 

[Alex]

5 minutes ago, Clens92 said:

Actually, I was the one who stuck up for you... how quickly you seem to forget.  I was the only one to actually defend your right to moan, if I remember.

Your ignorance of numismatics and terminology is undermining any legitimate argument you might have.  Your attitude is rotten and I can't imagine that you'll ever be happy with a purchase because you expect numismatic condition at bullion prices.  If you want numimatic condition, pay a fair price and stop moaning like a petulant child every time you don't get your own way.

Thus far, you appear to have bought from Atkinsons (a negative experience), Chard (a negative experience) and now potentially MCM (dare I say it, probably going to be anagtive experience) ... I will await your "My MCM Customer Experience" thread with baited breath.

 

Today you stuck up for me but tomorrow you say I`m a 'black listed buyer','nightmare buyer','rotten','moaning like a petulant child'.You contradict yourself .

I think positive,maybe too much.

Will you please explain the difference between the St Gaudens Double Eagle freshly minted in that time with the Gold Buffalo today? Was not the Double Eagle just ''bullion'' at that time?

Not sure how accurate the information is but the St. Gaudens Double Eagle 'Total circulating coin production for the series was 70,290,763' .     Not very rare I would say.

• The highest mintage coin was the 1928 Saint Gaudens Double Eagle at 8,816,000.
• Buffalo highest mintage is for the 2006 bullion coin at 337,012.

Could you please explain without insulting me? Thanks

 

 

[HawkHybrid]

what makes you difficult to deal with is your approach.

if many dealers are saying that they cannot guarantee

the quality of a bullion coin(buffalo) then what is that

saying about the average quality of these coins that

dealers have in stock? you choose to not go with a

specialist and yet expect the quality to be close to that

which the specialist can provide. did you realise that the

odds are against you? this is not atkinsons damaging

their coins and selling it to you as undamaged. this is

how atkinsons themselves received the coin. you choose

to roll the dice with odds that does not favour you. then

you ask that they offer some assurance that you will

receive a replacement coin that is in the top end of the

range of all within that coin type. they simply don't stock

that many buffalo coins.

it has nothing to do with the coins mentioned. you just

can't choose to roll the dice and expect to get a 5 or 6

each time you do so. you may be only rolling the dice for

a total of 3 times but probability doesn't work like that.

 

HH

[Clens92]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

Today you stuck up for me but tomorrow you say I`m a 'black listed buyer','nightmare buyer','rotten','moaning like a petulant child'.You contradict yourself .

I think positive,maybe too much.

Will you please explain the difference between the St Gaudens Double Eagle freshly minted in that time with the Gold Buffalo today? Was not the Double Eagle just ''bullion'' at that time?

Not sure how accurate the information is but the St. Gaudens Double Eagle 'Total circulating coin production for the series was 70,290,763' .     Not very rare I would say.

• The highest mintage coin was the 1928 Saint Gaudens Double Eagle at 8,816,000.
• Buffalo highest mintage is for the 2006 bullion coin at 337,012.

Could you please explain without insulting me? Thanks

 

 

In short, no. 

 

Do your own research. Just remember to look out for the coins with holes in!

[Clens92]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

Today you stuck up for me but tomorrow you say I`m a 'black listed buyer','nightmare buyer','rotten','moaning like a petulant child'.You contradict yourself .

I think positive,maybe too much.

Will you please explain the difference between the St Gaudens Double Eagle freshly minted in that time with the Gold Buffalo today? Was not the Double Eagle just ''bullion'' at that time?

Not sure how accurate the information is but the St. Gaudens Double Eagle 'Total circulating coin production for the series was 70,290,763' .     Not very rare I would say.

• The highest mintage coin was the 1928 Saint Gaudens Double Eagle at 8,816,000.
• Buffalo highest mintage is for the 2006 bullion coin at 337,012.

Could you please explain without insulting me? Thanks

 

 

In short, no. 

 

Do your own research. Just remember to look out for the coins with holes in!

[Alex]

1 hour ago, HawkHybrid said:

what makes you difficult to deal with is your approach.

if many dealers are saying that they cannot guarantee

the quality of a bullion coin(buffalo) then what is that

saying about the average quality of these coins that

dealers have in stock? you choose to not go with a

specialist and yet expect the quality to be close to that

which the specialist can provide. did you realise that the

odds are against you? this is not atkinsons damaging

their coins and selling it to you as undamaged. this is

how atkinsons themselves received the coin. you choose

to roll the dice with odds that does not favour you. then

you ask that they offer some assurance that you will

receive a replacement coin that is in the top end of the

range of all within that coin type. they simply don't stock

that many buffalo coins.

it has nothing to do with the coins mentioned. you just

can't choose to roll the dice and expect to get a 5 or 6

each time you do so. you may be only rolling the dice for

a total of 3 times but probability doesn't work like that.

 

HH

Yes,I have learnt that myself.My mistake was to think that they stock many buffalos.I agree with that,I`m just getting into gold bullion dealers.Anyway,I won`t do the same mistake again that`s why I bought a graded buffalo.I will always ask for photos before I place my order,if thats ok with them and If not I will move to the next dealer.What specialist you recommend?

[HawkHybrid]

further research is required but I assume a specialist in

this case would be a grading company or a company

that is part of a recognised numismatic association that

deals in the exact coins that you like. maybe ask around

companies that are members of the bnta.

(maybe part of the magic is to discover)

 

HH

[Alex]

On 03/01/2018 at 16:07, sixgun said:

This is not a numismatic collector coin. It is a graded bullion coin. To describe it as a numismatic coin is a wrong description. It should be described as gold bullion and there will be no tax or duty. You have a chance of a 5% VAT if they go ahead and classify it under Antiques, Art & Collectibles (Coins of numismatic interest) with HS commodity code 9705.00.0090.

The commodity code the seller should declare for the buffalo is 7118900000?

[PansPurse]

3 hours ago, HawkHybrid said:

(maybe part of the magic is to discover)

Oh this strikes the nail on the head for me  I love having new things to nerd up on!

[Alex]

3 hours ago, HawkHybrid said:

further research is required but I assume a specialist in

this case would be a grading company or a company

that is part of a recognised numismatic association that

deals in the exact coins that you like. maybe ask around

companies that are members of the bnta.

(maybe part of the magic is to discover)

 

HH

Atkinsons is on the BNTA list  and Chards is not  

I bought many british milled silver coins from many on that list.

[sixgun]

According to Chards

https://taxfreegold.co.uk/customstariccodeforgold.html

71 18 90 00 00

[Alex]

7 minutes ago, sixgun said:

According to Chards

https://taxfreegold.co.uk/customstariccodeforgold.html

71 18 90 00 00

Most trusted source https://www.trade-tariff.service.gov.uk/trade-tariff/commodities/7118900000  

[sixgun]

i never trust the pirates.

[Kookaburracollector]

Buffalo hunter here...I have managed to accumulate a small herd of these coins in the last year or so, and absolutely love them.

 

I am more than happy with the quality of the coins I have bought (at spot plus dealer mark up) apart from the 2006 which has no lustre left. Just missing the 2010 which I can get from Apmex, but would prefer to source from a UK dealer so will be patient and wait.

Sorry about the poor quality photo, I can get some more detailed ones done if anyone is interested.

As to where I got these coins from:-

2006 HGM

2007 Atkinsons

2008 Atkinsons

2009 Atkinsons

2011 UK bullion

2012 Silvergoldbull (Canada)

2013 Atkinsons

2014 Atkinsons

2015 Sharps Pixley

2016 Atkinsons

2017 Atkinsons

The real pain in collecting these is the fact that dealers rarely put the year of the coin in their advertising. I have had to phone up each time to ascertain the year (and condition) but this is part of the fun of collecting I guess..the chase!

Some of the coins have arrived in the original mint wrapping, and the vast majority look to have been well cared for...I guess I have been lucky so far.

Happy hunting for the buffalos, they are worth the challenge even if you just get one for your collection.