Anyone able to help decipher these Hallmarks?

[AaaGee]

Just something my other half is looking at. And interested to got some info on it.

[LawrenceChard]

47 minutes ago, AaaGee said:

Just something my other half is looking at. And interested to got some info on it.

https://theassayoffice.com/anatomy-of-a-hallmark

Other assay offices are available!

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[HerefordBullyun]

Maker Samuel Pemberton dated 1825  Birmingham as Mr C said

[HerefordBullyun]

19 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

https://theassayoffice.com/anatomy-of-a-hallmark

Other assay offices are available!

😎

BTW thats the first and last sensible comment you will get from me this year!

Back to normality now!!!

 

[LawrenceChard]

22 minutes ago, HerefordBullyun said:

Maker Samuel Pemberton dated 1825  Birmingham as Mr C said

How about doing all these next?

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[Mobius]

Made by Smith & Pepper, Birmingham. 1951

[sixgun]

4 hours ago, Mobius said:

Made by Smith & Pepper, Birmingham. 1951

The & in Smith & Pepper is not as per the maker's mark but it maybe it was not struck well. Birmingham 1951 is correct with S&P producing at that time.

The Smith & Pepper factory on Vyse Street, Birmingham is now The Museum of the Jewellery Quarter - an interesting stop off if you haven't been there before. https://www.birminghammuseums.org.uk/jewellery

[AaaGee]

Thanks everyone. theassayoffice is a pretty informative site. Added to my bookmarks.

[Mobius]

Yeah @sixgun you're right, the '&' is in a different style.
It could well be just a different version of their makers mark but I can't find an example of it online so far.
I wondered if the assay office would allow two different company's marks to be so similar but it seems Smith & Pepper had items hallmarked
at both Birmingham and Chester offices so maybe they had slightly different marks registered at each assay office?

I've learned one thing: they sure made a lot of bangles!

 

[sixgun]

1 hour ago, Mobius said:

Yeah @sixgun you're right, the '&' is in a different style.
It could well be just a different version of their makers mark but I can't find an example of it online so far.
I wondered if the assay office would allow two different company's marks to be so similar but it seems Smith & Pepper had items hallmarked
at both Birmingham and Chester offices so maybe they had slightly different marks registered at each assay office?

I've learned one thing: they sure made a lot of bangles!

Birmingham Assay Office will tell you but they charge for this service - i have asked about a hallmark in the past and there is a charge.

The maker's mark is different from the one listed for Smith & Pepper - the only one i have seen is the one with & which is the mark i posted an image of. They could have had a different mark at a different assay office but the one i posted is for Birmingham. Sometimes a company would change the mark several times and it is not easy to find the one you want.
We are left unsure - not so uncommon. You either spend a lot of time of decide it isn't worth it and no-one else is likely to have a clue if you are wrong or right.

Edited August 18, 2022 by sixgun

[HerefordBullyun]

This hallmark doesn't show in my book but the closest I found was Samuel Pemberton 

[Mobius]

@sixgun you're right of course, a lot of makers registered more than one mark over their working lives so it could be them or it could be some other silversmiths that we may never identify. Like you say it's probably not worth reasearching more.

I'm giving up now anyway!

 

[Mobius]

Ok so I didn't give up - I've had another look and found this bangle by Smith & Pepper.

Looks pretty close to me.