silver prices

[JT123]

I'm about to make a silver purchase and wanted to know other peoples thoughts on weather you think silver prices will go even lower soon, if so should i wait or not?????

[ukstack]

hard to say it could go back over £11 oz next week easy enough saying that it could also go low £10 an oz as well easy enough 

 

i think at todays price its a good buy youll pay a premium anyway what ever the spot price is 

[JT123]

yh thats what I've been hearing, but the prices from STG a pretty good anyway so i will make the purchase anyway

[craig12]

i keep reading that as silver falls to silly prices you wont be able to buy it ,  

[JT123]

really?? i can't say I've heard about that 

[craig12]

i think the problem with most stackers /collectors is we fail to see long term , much like taking out a pension at 30 years old , you think hang on why am i starting a pension , its 35 years away , and i think its the same with silver/gold , if spot is £11 this week £10.50 next and £9 the month after so what 

if this is a long term thing we should be buying at what we think is a fair price , put it away LEAVE IT  and come back in 2035 and see what its done 

we as stackers and im as guilty as the next man  watch  spot .why   myself its to see that when spot falls possibly that coin or bar is more affordable 

[JT123]

this is very true and i am guilty of doing that, i guess we just try to get the best possible price even if it is a few pennies 

[craig12]

if we think of this logically , we should all be buying on big dips, and leaving the bullion /coins for a long time  , imagine all thr guys that bought at £5 back then , maybe that seemed like a lot of money  but if they cashed in around 2011 then they will probably have a nice lump sum or paid off their mortgage

[craig12]

a guy on the london south east share price forum puts it very well 

while all the majority are scuttling around feeding the herd  , the predator lies beneath waiting to pounce(croc)

 

in other words the wise guy waits to silver to drop massivley then and only then buys £thousands from silver to go 

[JT123]

ive not heard that before, makes sense though 

 

and yes that is the logical way of stacking but i think we all get enjoyment from collecting our silver rather than just stacking it

[Kman]

The only way to know for sure is in hindsight sadly

 

This is pretty much the cheapest it's been for the past 4 years though so looks inviting. 

[Kman]

ive not heard that before, makes sense though 

 

If you're listening to Craig then I would worry about your judgement and whether you're ok to be making these financial choices  

[JT123]

ahahah I'm guessing you've learned from experience 

[craig12]

i suppose it all comes down to this, can you afford to buy , if so then buy , like another member said, all youre doing really is swapping fiat for p,ms  theres a good chance you will get your money back

[HighlandTiger]

a guy on the london south east share price forum puts it very well 

while all the majority are scuttling around feeding the herd  , the predator lies beneath waiting to pounce(croc)

 

in other words the wise guy waits to silver to drop massivley then and only then buys £thousands from silver to go 

 

Odds on that guy on that forum you are talking about knows feck all about making money from shares. If he did, he wouldn't be spending his time posting on a forum talking in metaphors he'd probably copied and pasted from some other forum, he'd be living the high life with all the money he was raking in.

 

Anyone who proclaims to know how to make money and is willing to tell the world, is either trying to sell something, a crook, a liar or deluded, (or probably all four). If you knew how to make money, would you really tell the world your secret?

 

I know I wouldn't..... 

 

If it was that easy to become rich, why isn't everyone here a millionaire 

[ukstack]

In theory it works great wait for a dip and buy 100k then wait for it to rise 10p and sell for 105k 

 

would you risk 100k to make 5k i wouldn't and i bet most would always people who would tho 

 

saying that 100k is a lot to some and nothing to others 

 

 

id be happy to be a thousandair hahaha 

[Shamatti]

With prices at a 4 year low it is time to buy. They may drop a few more pence, but unless you are going to buy a hundred ounces or something the change in price is negligible. If it drops considerably over the weeks, buy some more! I have been stacking 2½ years and have lost hugely on most of my stack. The only way I can repair that damage is by A. Buying lots more as prices drop, or B. Burying it all in the garden for the next 10 years until prices recover. And I don't have a spade! lol

 

Part of the joy of stacking is just getting your hands on these amazing silver coins. Enjoy it for what it is. Having a nest egg set aside for the future is the other part. So when prices are back up over £20 or more, whether you saved 5p or 10p an ounce all those years ago is pretty irrelevant.

 

Some people are predicting prices below £9 or even below £8, but I honestly can't see that happening. The cost to mine the silver, smelt it, ship it, work it, mint it, ship it again, and then sell it to you or me...... it aint gonna happen bro!

 

We may see drops next week of a few pence, possibly several or even a dozen pence. It will be up again by the end of the year. I think I predicted £15 by Christmas. I might revise that to £13. But it will be up again.

[HawkHybrid]

with physical silver(other pm's also) you can try averaging down.

whilst averaging down can be very risky in trading in shares, the

factor in silver's favour is that unlike a listed company silver cannot

go bust and lose you all your investment. the physical silver will

always be worth something, even if you end up temporarily using

it as a paper weight  .

 

the way with averaging down is to use a smaller amount when

you buy and only buy again if the price falls below what you bought

at earlier. this actually makes it suitable for small investments but

also means it won't make you lots of money. it's more like a

strategy to beat the current bank rates with less risk than other

methods. the great thing about averaging down is that you can

only buy at the peak of ~£35 if you started exactly at the point of

when it peaked. discipline is required to not get greedy.

 

HH

[Pete]

Playing roulette, e.g. betting only red, if you double your bet every time you loose, eventually you will win BUT work out the stake if you have to double your bet say 12 times in a row - takes a lot of cash

[HighlandTiger]

Playing roulette, e.g. betting only red, if you double your bet every time you loose, eventually you will win BUT work out the stake if you have to double your bet say 12 times in a row - takes a lot of cash

 

Actually in reality that theory will not work. Casino's have maximum limits on the amounts you can bet, which will always prevent someone from winning using the system you describe, it's called the "martingale system", Casino owners and bookies love it, as they will always win money from anyone using that system 

[Luker2]

Crescendo

Andrew Hoffman

http://www.silverseek.com/commentary/crescendo-13647

 

September 30, 2014 - 3:24pm

Last night, I was honored to receive an email from Hugo Salinas Price, the self-made Mexican billionaire who along with being a staunch GATA supporter has lobbied for decades to re-monetize silver. A more amiable man one cannot meet, particularly given his wealth and status. His wisdom is otherworldly, but the most notable aspect of the email was that when it comes to the Cartel’s most vicious attacks to date, his frustration like fellow billionaire Eric Sprott, is no less obvious than mine. Together, we are watching a mere handful of corrupt politicians and bankers armed with unfettered printing presses and financial weapons of mass destruction attempt to destroy the world’s masses for their own benefit. Of course, he sagely concluded “this too shall pass,” mirroring yesterday’s comments from the great Richard Russell…

In its battle to make its fiat currency the only legal currency, the Fed has adopted a strategy of denouncing the precious metals. But ultimately the truth will win out, and the fiat dollar will join all the other dead fiat currencies that have become footnotes in economic history. Remember, every currency that has left the gold standard has died. Without the backing of gold, no currency has survived, and there are no exceptions. Sooner or later, a new world reserve currency will be adopted. It will be at least partly backed by gold.

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King World News

, September 30, 2014

Price than said “I have the impression events are building up to some great climax. We are living in a dream world, and the dream will turn into a nightmare soon enough” – which, in turn, inspired today’s title, “Crescendo.” We couldn’t agree more; although by “crescendo,” we don’t necessarily anticipate a singular apocalyptic event – although of course, such a scenario is eminently possible. Rather, a sharp reversal of six years of Central bank-manufactured, government-abetted market gains; exposing the horror that lies beneath of a financial system so horribly rotted it cannot stand the light of non-QE, non-ZIRP day.

Frankly, I’ve run out of adjectives to describe my incredulity in watching the Cartel attack paper PMs on a 24/6 basis, with not a second passing without a new “cap” or “attack” algorithm. Sixty-seven straight “Sunday night Sentiment” attacks; “2:15 AM” raids on 90% of trading days since Obama’s infamous April 2013 “closed door meeting” with the top TBTF bank CEOs; “sixth sigma” raids at the thinnest times of the global trading day; and, of course, unrelenting raids at “key attack times” like the 7:00 AM EST open of the New York pre-market session, the 8:20 AM EST COMEX open, the 10:00 AM EST PM Fix, the 12:00 PM EST “cap of last resort” and the 2:00 PM EST “crybaby” time, if all else fails. Plus raids when any and all news emerges – particularly, “key attack events” like NFP reports, FOMC meetings and Fed Chairman speeches; not to mention, any other time PMs threaten to rise. Such as this morning, when following an utterly horrific “unexpected” plunge in the Shiller Real Estate Index (recall Friday’s article, “Housing Recovery – RIP”), gold was stopped by a prototypical “Cartel Herald” algorithm within $1 of going positive for the day – per the DLITG or “Don’t Let it Turn Green” stratagem utilized for the past decade. Frankly, the only scheme more blatant is the PPT’s ceaseless support of the “Dow Jones Propaganda Average,” via the “dead ringer” algorithms I have written of for years – in yesterday’s case, utilized at exactly the level I years ago identified as “the ultimate PPT limit down level” for U.S. stocks; yes, the same 1.0% level that marks the Cartel’s “limit up” level for 99% of gold’s trading days. Remember, “Cartel Rule #1” is “thou shalt not allow PMs to surge, whilst the Dow plunges.” And as you can see by the aforementioned Dow “dead ringer” below – and blatantly obvious gold “DLITG” algorithms – preventing violation of this rule was yesterday’s job one.

Yes, we’re definitely building to a “crescendo” – but the $64,000 question is, of what? Mathematically, the long-term is set in stone – and likely, the “long-term” will arrive much sooner than most can imagine. As we have noted ad nauseum, the world passed “peak debt” long ago; and thus, with global debt loads exploding and the resulting, deleterious effects of inflation and stagnation proliferating, it’s only a matter of time before history’s most concentrated doses of money printing, market manipulation and propaganda implodes of its own weight. In a nutshell, the “99%” are poorer than ever; the “1%” more blatantly corrupt; and the economic outlook the worst since the Great Depression. Geopolitical tensions have ballooned to levels not seen since World War II, population explosion is straining a finite level of resources, the “final currency war” is expanding; and much of the world is entering a “demographic hell” that will increase the reach of economy-killing socialism. And what if “extraneous events” continue to besiege humanity, like the horrifying droughts afflicting California and Brazil? Again, per the great Richard Russell…

Some experts fear the California drought, which is part of a wider drought across the West that has lasted 14 years, could be the beginning of an historic mega-drought, a decades-long period of extreme dryness that geological studies show occurs in the region every 400-600 years. A new Cornell study estimates a 20%-50% chance of a 35 year mega-drought by the century’s end. Nevertheless, California’s population is expected to grow by 50 million by 2050, making the effects of the potential water crisis even more severe. Will Richard Russell move back to New York?

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King World News

, September 30, 2014

Today’s headlines speak of collapsing economies in Japan – where real wages and industrial production depict the horrifying stagflationary impact of Abenomics; accelerating European “deflation” – although I assure you, ZERO Europeans are experiencing a lower cost of living; and the all-out bursting of the historic Chinese real estate bubble, as land sales are down an astonishing 50% year over year. Even the Russian economy is suffering miserably; and trust us, the unprecedented Ruble collapse – amidst ill-conceived Western sanctions – will be properly “retaliated” against. Brazil, India and South Africa – i.e., the other “BRICS” – are watching their currencies FREEFALL against the “strengthening dollar”; as the virulent, Fed-exported inflation we warned of yesterday engulfs the planet like financial Ebola. Again, we cannot emphasize enough that the dollar index’ recent (modest) increase has nothing to do with an improving U.S. outlook; but rather, as in 2008, a global fear response to the inevitability of the oncoming “big one.” Better yet, I’d like to see just one MSM outlet note the “pink elephant” truth that, just as the recent Euro plunge will cause massive European inflation, the simultaneous dollar surge will wreak havoc on U.S. corporate earnings. And this, amidst an environment of record corporate debt, the weakest global economic environment since the Depression and amazingly, despite the aforementioned market goosing, massive pension underfunding.

As for gold and silver, sentiment is so low, even “top analysts” are giving up. To wit, Louise Yamada, who was Wall Street’s top-ranked technical analyst when markets were still freely traded (I consulted her often when we worked at Salomon Smith Barney) “gave up” on gold today, further validating the “historic capitulation” we wrote of yesterday. Demonstrating just how clueless Wall Street has become, her manipulated charts tell her $700-$800/oz. is now possible, despite the fact the industry is already on the verge of collapse; and oh yeah, the most PM-bullish economic, monetary and geopolitical environment of our lifetimes. To that end, note today’s “trifecta” of unexpected plunges in U.S. home prices, the Chicago PMI Index and consumer confidence.

However, a strange thing has happened in the physical PM world. Following a brief “deer in headlights” phase in early September, when readers started demonstrating genuine fear and irrationality, the emails have become more bullish than ever. Physical demand has indisputably exploded in recent weeks as exemplified by Andrew MacGuire’s comment yesterday that 650 tonnes have been bought in the London OTC market. Indian and Chinese demand have also surged, as have U.S. Mint sales of both gold and silver Eagles. In fact, August was Miles Franklin’s second best month of 2014 and September is blowing August away.

Silver is particularly vulnerable to an upside explosion; as aside from trading WAY below its cost of production and Shanghai inventories down to essentially nothing, prices have now moved into backwardation – i.e., an extremely rare condition, reflective of significant product shortage. It is also more oversold than at any time in its 14-year bull market; and thus, as demonstrated in 2008, 2011 and 2013, extremely prone to said shortages. And even JP Morgan has quietly whittled its COMEX silver short position to its lowest level since acquiring Bear Stearns’ tainted book in 2008.

Normally, I’d end with something designed to urge you to financial action. I’m going to take a slightly different tack today, but something tells me the effect will be the same – if not, more so. To wit, Jon Stewart did a segment yesterday about how Congress refuses to debate America’s commitment of significant resources to destroying the Middle Eastern ISIS organization. At its end, he posts a quote from departing Congressman Jack Kingston, who obviously spoke his mind only because he just lost his re-election bid. Frankly, even I have never been more disgusted – or terrified – at how rapidly my formerly wonderful country is deteriorating…

A lot of people would like to stay on the sideline and say ‘just bomb the place and tell us about it later.’ It’s an election year. A lot of Democrats don’t know how it would play in their party, and Republicans don’t want to change anything. We like the path we’re on now. We can denounce it if it goes bad, and praise it if it goes well – and ask what took him so long.

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MSNBC.com

, September 24, 2014

Frankly, I can’t think of a better reason to run screaming from the fiat currency such monsters “manage” and into the only asset they can’t destroy.