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Oh my. That's a thing. 💛 [Now I have to go and sing my special song for a couple of hours. "I only stack for value, I only stack for value"]

Thanks for the heads-up @Petra

As per the title, looking for a Godless Florin. Preferably, one that looks something like this: But appreciating that they aren't all in such good nick, I'm looking to pay a fair price based on condition. Please let me know if you have one available for sale and what you're asking for it. Priority given to higher grades (not expecting them to be *actually* graded). Essential that photos are of the actual coin you have - not stock images. If you could include any description to supplement your assessment of its condition, that would be helpful for me. Not looking for you to submit a homework essay or anything that like that 😄 - but in obtaining some independent advice from a forum member on some of the coins currently available on ebay - let's just say there were some 'interesting margins' between the actual condition and the stated condition & price. 🤑 Obviously, I'll be looking to give people time to find / reply to this post and to assess what's on offer, so I may not respond immediately. Happy to discuss further as required [as I'm not used to doing wanted ads]. Hope that's all reasonable and makes sense. Thanks. FNF.

That 2002 is really spoiling the aesthetic, so I'll take it off your hands... you know, as a favour to you. Nice collection!

Classic case of, its funny because its true...

Holy moly, that's a whopper.

All i can say in my defense is that there are multiple sources that refer to this as a mule: "... a mule coin is one struck from two dies which were never intended to be used together." But I'm not experienced enough to argue with anyone about it. 😆

@FlorinCollector

Thanks to @PapaLazarou for some further info on the Zambia Elephant run and a reminder to include the 2015 'mule'. 🐘 🐘

silver here

I've done some further research over the weekend in order to try and establish mintage numbers. I'm updating the original post with findings. There are some discrepancies but where I could find at least a couple of sources with the same figure, I've gone with that. Some couldn't be corroborated so are assumptions. But again, I'm not claiming any authority on this info... just sharing what I've found so far. @sovereignsteve it looks like the mintage for the first 5 years was very low. Certainly only 5000 in 2004 and there's a fair chance that the numbers are similar for 05 through 08... though Numista does suggest up to 25,000 for 2005 and 20,000 for 2006 (but this latter may be due to the minting of an anniversary coin in the same year). In any event, the 2004 looks like it's in the £300 region and if the rest of the early run follows a similar trend, it blows my chances of buying them in one go as a set. If your are minded at any point to sell them as single units, or to bundle the higher mintage ones (2009+), let me know.

Completely understandable. No problem. 👍

I've had some further info, above and through PMs so will look to update the post over the weekend. Thanks @sovereignsteve, that's interesting. Obviously I'd be interested in picking these up if you have them available but I have no idea on valuing then either. If any of them have gone astronomical, it may stretch my budget... I'll try and do some research but if you have any thoughts let me know. Thanks too @Chrisplym. If it's easy enough for you to check, then that would be good. It may be that sovereignsteve can supply all in one batch so I'm exploring that, so please don't go out of your way. But if simple enough then I'd be interested. Thanks.

That's awesome. I'll bookmark this message and if I'm still struggling decades from now, I'll have to start making overseas journeys! 😀

Excellent. I'll keep my eyes open on the forum. From my searches so far, it seems that nobody wants to offer it at spot from a dealer. And I know there is some bulk on offer at the mo, but as much as I'm happy with worn etc. I don't necessarily want holed as my first batch. Thanks again.

Today marks my 1 year anniversary on the forum. What a year it’s been. Rewind to 6 April 2022, when all I had was a sense of needing to do things differently. To move from the finance and economics that I’d been ‘taught’ – and try and figure out a new way. Not a gram of silver or gold to be seen. Today. Things have improved – not politically or socio-economically obviously. But in terms of my stacking and, more importantly, my own knowledge. Not just of Precious Metals, but of market forces, deflation, inflation, hyper-inflation, CPI, QE, de-dollarisation, BRICS … the list goes on. Equally, I know that is it isn’t political for everyone and we’re each in this game for different reasons. And that’s what I love about The Silver Forum. It’s a space for everyone who shares anything from a passing interest to a burning passion, for this shiny stuff. It’s a marketplace for trading, for learning and for participating in a vibrant, welcoming, and knowledgeable community. Some of the highlights for me in this time (and there will be loads I’ve missed off): @richatthecroft and his amazing, growing collection of historical coinage @LawrenceChard and his effortless knowledge of PMs, his willingness to impart that knowledge to noobs, and for cataloguing the individual ridges from various reeded edges! @stefffana and the boggling array of silver ‘ware’ that’s opened my eyes way beyond bullion! @BackyardBullion for introducing me to this world through his YT vids and for his beautiful poured bars @SilverAngel for some of the favourite pieces I have in my collection @modofantasma for their reccent time and guidance @SidS, @swanky,@Earthmetal and others recently for helping me get to grips with pre-decimal silver @James32 for showing me what to aspire to. Both in terms of my future collection, and in terms of the Jedi-like reflexes that he’s honed that mean he can often respond to a sales thread before it’s even been posted! And to everyone else that has helped me in any way over the last 12 months, THANK YOU!. I’m still green behind the ears, but less green than I was. And I’m richer (in many ways) for the experience. FNF.

Thanks for that. As always, very helpful and advice I shall heed!

So I absolutely should not be paying £4 per coin for mixed date general circulation (0.500) silver threepence? or £3 per coin for 1920 - 1946 general circulation (0.500) silver sixpence? or do these command an accepted premium? (And why is the threepence more valuable if it contains less silver by weight?

Yes, I was a bit worried about that. But, heresy is kinda my thing, so it's on brand for me! 😆

This is pretty much my strategy, I think.

I'm on my phone so reading the responses in reverse order. Thanks for pointing out the 1989 is proof only. I had no idea. As for the shields... "You'll be hooked" - I actually think you're spot on about that. I don't own one yet but I can almost feel it in my hand. That's weird isn't it?

Well I'd never even thought about that. Will probably stick to RM ones unless the price seems too good to pass up but I doubt I'll go hunting for them. Thanks for pointing them out though.

Thanks Wiley! Sensible advice. I saw a couple of the 1989 proof sovs online. Were they ONLY released as proofs? I hadn't realised that if so, and would definitely rule them out.

I began stacking Soveriegns in 2022. This has turned out to be serendipitous (though quite by accident) as it is one of the rare occasions that the reverse didn't feature St George in one design or another. To be upfront about it, I don't like the George & Dragon design. I'm sure that will have the purists foaming at the mouth, but as with all things of an aesthetic nature, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I know there have been some notable variations, even to old St. George - thinking of 2005 and 2012 here. But all things considered, my preferences still lean toward those that forego His Saintliness entirely. I've leaned heavily on @LawrenceChard's homework from the very helpful: https://www.chards.co.uk/guides/tails-the-designs-on-the-reverse-of-british-sovereigns/156?guide=1574 From which I have gleaned the following: 1825 - 1871: Ensigns Armorial or 'Shield Back' 1989: Tudor rose 2002: Shield 2022: Jubilee (QEII) 2022: Memorial (KCIII) I've amassed a baffling number of the 2022 Jubilee sovereigns already and will undoubteedly pick up some of the Memorial KCIII versions too. But as they're for stacking only, and I'm not in it for any truly numismatic purposes, do I need to forego picking up some of the others on the list? I'm assuming they've breached the bullion bubble and have become 'collectible' - and therefore, not practical from a weight:price perspective, compared to others? I'd welcome thoughts and perspectives - and will even accept being labelled a philistine. All the best. FNF.

Awesome!