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yes pls

Most coins are unlimited. There is no rush I guess

I wonder how NGC will define 2016 half bullion sovereign

Reverse AU58, Obverse MS62. I'd say MS61

Thanks for the advice. The issue has been resolved now. I get what you saying one man's trash is another man's treasure. But I am not blind dating with anyone in this case. It is a reputable dealer who is charging top£££ from his client for the coin grade. Which turned out to be 2 grades under. It is a lesson learnt indeed.

Thanks for everyone's advices and contribution. Really Appreciated. Finally sorted with the dealer in a good way. 😀

When it comes to numismatic coins, we are buying the coin as well as the grade. Seller ask for different ££ for different grade.

It is very eye appeal. I hope they give you PL designation 😃

Thanks Richard, Looks like proof to me

We are all humans, we make mistakes. So does NGC and PCGS. Supply and demand end of the day, If market does not need NGC and PCGS, they will be gone

Here are the images of 1820 open 2, It was sold to me as Unc condition.

Just like we call ground floor in the UK and American call it 1st floor. Any reputable dealer cannot say Unc coin is American grade MS60. And because of the grader had a bad day hence you get AU58. The equivalence is clearly written on chards website and many other reliable platform.

1). I do value chards is a reputable coin dealer. Speaking of most dealers exaggerate their grades as you mentioned, I feel it is very frustrating for collectors and buyers. As we do see there is good ££margin between AU58 EF and MS62 Unc Numismatic coin. It is pretty lame to say coin grade is subjective. If we cannot rely on the grades from NGC and PCGS, can we rely on the grades from most of those dealers as mentioned above?

I agree with you chards is accurate about the 1880 grade and I am aware of the aVF - VF is based on English grading systems Just like when I was told by the dealer a coin is in Unc condition I would naturally linked to the same grading system. Which is equivalent to US grade MS62 - MS63. I do not see why it is difficult to agree on something is black and white. 😢

https://www.chards.co.uk/1880-gold-sovereign-vic-young-head-shield-sydney-inverted-a/4299 Are you telling me this 1880 grade is only VF20-VF30? Clearly, When dealer say Uncirculated condition that means US grade MS62-MS63 https://www.chards.co.uk/blog/coin-grading-uk-cgs-pcgs-ngc-uk-and-us/79

I believe so

Very interesting. I think we both know what Unc means. If Uncirculated coins can be vary from AU58-MS63. How those auction house manage to sell their raw coins without backfire to themselves? Here is the link from chards Comparing Grades: UK vs. CGS vs. Sheldon https://www.chards.co.uk/blog/coin-grading-uk-cgs-pcgs-ngc-uk-and-us/79

MS62 is the minimum grade of Unc coins. It is to prove there are actually in line with seller's description.

Nothing wrong from dealer's perpective. The problem in this case the dealer sold the 2 coins at the market value for Unc condition. I am sure you do not want to sell your MS62-MS63 (Unc condition) coins for EF grade price? likewise from any buyers/collectors

When I told him both coins came back as AU58. He said he normally grade with PCGS. Hence I offered him that

MS60 is considered EF+ not Unc

I agree AU58 is not uncirculated but close to it. Hence, I offered the dealer that I can send to PCGS for second opinion at my cost. But, he seems reluctant. IMO, he does not seems have the confidence in both coins. I will consider about the Consumer Rights Act, I hope we do not need to come to that. Thanks for the help.😀

Good point. But, not everyone is going to grade coins. This is their profession to give an accurate grade to numismatic coin, If they like to call an Unc coin as About Unc to protect themselves, I do not see a reason why not? If they want top ££, they could grade themself to be precise. End of the day, In every business, we all want happy customers.

Would not ask for advice if I did