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4 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

 

I will not try to give you any opinion on your original topic title "physical gold ETFs VS Shares in Gold mines ETFs".

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Why is that? is it because you just buy and sell coins and bars?

On 06/10/2022 at 21:01, LawrenceChard said:

"(Hosted by Nigel Ferage for which I am a paid subscriber) written by Rob Marstrand."

Are you sure they aren't paying you to promote them?

If not, it sounds like they have brainwashed you.

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Not at all; just looking at 2 completly differnet opinions, Infact I am not very convinced at southbanks and UK independent wealths opinions over all

1. I watched one of the Nigel Frage's pod cast and he stated that he had optimisation in this new PM Liz Trust (or what ever they call hear) that she is singing all Thatcherism of the good old days (so it is quite clear that he has some faith in the system). But I watched one of David Icks pod casts and he show a clip of Liz Trust when she was MP for the Lib Dem party singing all fairness and equalitys. But I did like NF comments on expect the light to go off this Feburary

2. I have read and watched videos of Rob Marstrand work about buying shares and when to buy and he is quite clearly not aware of the scale of damage that will be done by this great reset, in fact he wont even know the whole thing was a plan since Brave new world by Ian Huxley and 1984 by George Orwell, as said by Clows Swarb of the world economic forum, and as the great big banner of the front of the world economical forum say "you will own nothing and be happy"

2b. I have attached a screen shot of UK Independent wealth's port folio, and look how may shares are up and how many are down, dose not look very good dose it

On 07/10/2022 at 00:56, Bruce06 said:

Gold miners prices are not necessary moving in the same direction and % as the gold price.  So, if you think gold price will go up, better to buy gold not miner, to avoid for any disappointment.  

Are but that is not what the so called wokers on the money saving expert forum have stated so though I would check it out further. Was only interested at the though of buying gold mining shares of getting some kind of dividend back out of it

I read a while ago on the money saving expert forum in the investment section (A complete and utter woke agender of goody little two shoes thinking it getting better its getting better then sudanly out of the blue it gets worse, so though I should ask ells where) That buying into gold mining companies has the same risk as buying physical gold bullion but the only advantage is you get dividend payments from the companies profit. I was also told that the share rate value of each seam to mirrow them selfs.

On the other hand I red an artical in UK independent wealth (Hosted by Nigel Ferage for which I am a paid subscriber) written by Rob Marstrand. Stating something on the lines of where shares are doing well you will see a better value on gold mining companies to gold and when shares are doing bad you will see a decline in mining companies share prices compared to gold.

Fortune and Freedom also have a port folio for advice for it members where to invest, and one of those shares is VanEck Vectors Gold Miners UCITS ETF Ticket number GDGB. They say it is a basket of gold mining companies so you get a balanced share price

So let have a look further shall we.....

The first image I have attached is a screen shot from the London Stock Exchange website for the annual share price for WisdomTree Physical Gold ticker number  PHGP

The second image I have attached is a screen shot from again the London Stock Exchange website for the annual share price for VanEck Vectors Gold Miners UCITS ETF Ticket number GDGB.

So in the first half of the chats there is some kind of mirrow image, but in the second part of the chart, Physical Gold stays about the same and the mining companies drop. So dose anyone know what is going on hear?

20 hours ago, SilverPlatinum said:

Silver is undervalued, so some investors reacted when they saw positive wall-street numbers. NYSE and NASDAQ were up in the past 2 days.

But after the hike on Monday, do you still think it is under valued or has reach is weight in silver?

16 hours ago, gji25 said:

Remember. The goverment has No Control over the Financial Market

It has no control over bitcoin as well but look at that!

Question is does it have control over gold and silver?

18 hours ago, ArgentSmith said:

Silver is one of the few assets that didn't get an invite to the everything bubble, downside very limited as there is nothing to unwind.

But did gold go into the bubble?

18 hours ago, Zeuk said:

I'd probably use a cash isa for that tbh

Im using halifax share dealing account with wisdomtree on the london stock exchange for my gold and I will do the same with everything ells unless I hear of a better plan for a platform

tbh???

Right, but I was not looking for daily bets on it, I just wanted to put it in and leave it until I have a project to spend it on

But seeing that big hike on Monday has frightened me off

So do you think it will stay like that or come back down a little?

Looking at bough charts, the price of Silver has gone though the roof on Monday!

What caused this? And it it just a short time spike or will it stay forever?

Thanks

I was about to start a new thread called Thinking about buying shares in gold mining companies, until I saw this post so though I would saver the spam and ask it hear

I read a while ago on the money saving expert forum in the investment section (A complete and utter woke agender of goody little two shoes thinking it getting better its getting better then sudanly out of the blue it gets worse, so though I should ask ells where) That buying into gold mining companies has the same risk as buying physical gold bullion but the only advantage is you get dividend payments from the companies profit. I was also told that the share rate value of each seam to mirrow them selfs.

On the other hand I red an artical in UK independent wealth (Hosted by Nigel Ferage for which I am a paid subscriber) written by Rob Marstrand. Stating something on the lines of where shares are doing well you will see a better value on gold mining companies to gold and when shares are doing bad you will see a decline in mining companies share prices compared to gold.

Fortune and Freedom also have a port folio for advice for it members where to invest, and one of those shares is VanEck Vectors Gold Miners UCITS ETF Ticket number GDGB. They say it is a basket of gold mining companies so you get a balanced share price

So let have a look further shall we.....

The first image I have attached is a screen shot from the London Stock Exchange website for the annual share price for WisdomTree Physical Gold ticker number  PHGP

The second image I have attached is a screen shot from again the London Stock Exchange website for the annual share price for VanEck Vectors Gold Miners UCITS ETF Ticket number GDGB.

So in the first half of the chats there is some kind of mirrow image, but in the second part of the chart, Physical Gold stays about the same and the mining companies drop. So dose anyone know what is going on hear?

15 hours ago, Stacktastic said:

There is something about Ike I just don't trust - his eyes say it all. 
 

How you become a profesanol football player then that dose not work out, then stright onto the leading head spokes man of the Green party then did not like that then onto BBC sports presenter then that failed and now this

All this happening to one person by coincidence; I dont think so! Would look like to me that he is one of the club! one of the family blood lines that he has been deeming ever since 1991

3 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

Lower than Liz Truss getting re-elected as Prime Minister.

As with RBS, it would be almost unthinkable for the UK government to allow a major British bank fail.

If it happened, we would all be in big trouble, probably equivalent to Ukraine currently.

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But I though all this was the plan for the great reset, goverment and banks to go bankrupt all to be sweaped up by the central one world bank the Rothchild dinasty

1 hour ago, SidS said:

In those History of Money videos, Maloney isn't actually 'selling' as such. They are more factual to my mind. What he tries to do is explain how fractional reserve banking actually works (the US variant at least). There's no real mention of gold in that video as gold isn't currently part of the monetary system.

If your refering to the above video, then the video its self is more trying to explain how the money system works and that is that its all fake! its all credit borrowed on credit from start to finish where you start out with $1 back by nothing and eventully it turns out to be $1 trillion or so.

Infact prior to 1933 (33 where everything is free, need to look at words and numbers guys, big clue there) $1 was worth the coins weight in silver and it had one line down the S not two that it has now

1 hour ago, SidS said:

 It's a bit of an eye opener to be honest for those of us not working in finance.

Well I dont and have never worked in finance in my life; but I know the basics of this anyway from reading people like David Icks work. The video is just a lot more detail for which I dont understand most of it

5 hours ago, Chandler365 said:

 

So YOU don’t actually have any gold , to hand so to speak ? 

I just made my first purchase of Wisdomtree physical gold in my Halifax share dealing account

Wisdomtree say the gold is backed up in a vault with HSBC. But I dont think I actully own the gold its self

1 hour ago, HerefordBullyun said:

Sadly the regulatory authorities are run by ex bankers for bankers.. Its like asking dracula - can you look after my bloodbank? 

There was an American comedian (cant remember his name) died not long ago said "its a big club and you ant in it"

1 hour ago, LawrenceChard said:

Northern Rock was always a disaster waiting to happen.

There were many reasons why, one of which was:

"In 2006 the bank had moved into sub-prime lending via a deal with Lehman Brothers."

But also very lax mortgage lending rules.

The regulatory authorities should also have been held to account, as they failed in their bank supervision, and were negligent IMO.

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What do you think the chance of HSBC going bust are?

15 hours ago, dicker said:

David Icke…..Queen turning into a reptile when not in public, son of god?  I rest my case.  

no no no! its son of god head, and what he meant by the Queen is a reptile is he has interviewed victims that have gone though these satanic rituals (the very few that survive that is) carried out by these hybrid blood line (Prince Andrew I rest my case!) and he says that as they went though these rituals that these hybrid blood line would ever so slightly start to change shape into a reptilian force.

Further more. He has stated several times going on TV and being in the dressing room where they are dressing him up to go on TV and Ted Heath came back into the dressing room to dress him down. And he said to T.H hello mate! And T.H did not reply his eyes went black and he scanned him dont with his eyes like a computer

15 hours ago, Scootermuppet said:

Yep, I’d wondered about what they do with it too.

This video explains it all….

 

I read this; part of an artical out of my UK independent wealth. But its kind of the same thing as said video

In short, under normal conditions, new money is created every time a commercial bank makes a new loan. If you get a loan from, say, Lloyds Bank, it creates two entries on its balance sheet. A loan asset, being the money you owe to the bank, and a deposit liability, being the money it owes to you (and which you can now go and spend).

Every day, banks are busy making new loans and receiving repayments on existing loans. Meanwhile, deposit money flows around between customers within the same bank or between banks

36 minutes ago, SidS said:

Some examples:

1. George Bush, "Read my lips, no new taxes." - Soon followed by taxes.

2. Bill Clinton, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinski." - Her recollection was different.

3. That's before we start on UK Prime Ministers.

1. Weapons of mass distruction

2. see photo attached

3. Ted Heath

I have attached a premium artical from UK independent wealth. On page 16 it quotes

Gold Bullion

bars, that are your direct property. That’s even though they are stored on your behalf by someone else. The bars are identified using serial numbers, so they can be

This is distinct from “unallocated” gold, where you have a claim over pooled gold bars that are actually the property of an intermediary. Unallocated gold should be avoided, as there’s a risk that you won’t get anything back if the storage provider goes bust (such as a bank).

So he is saying avoid ETFs and ETCs because if the holder of the gold goes bust then you loose you stock. I guess they get around this because if you dont actually own the gold you only own a share and they can say that the shares went broke, am I right hear?

So the holder or Wisdomtree is HSBC and HSBC went bust then would I loose my shares in the gold?

Hard-money-the-best-way-to-own-gold P14.pdf

On 27/09/2022 at 12:35, Scootermuppet said:

But if people shift their wealth to cash in banks, what's stopping the banks clamping down even more on large withdrawals? There's a lot of rumours about already, and I believe some banks are starting to question / block large cash withdrawals... and we've all read about the way banks use your cash once they have it 🤦‍♂️ (or I hope we have...)

Might be sensible to stick with PM's then turn in to cash if / when needed? 🤔

Well the co-op bank did it with me when I made a large withdrawal and come up with some BS excuse as the always do we are doing it for your own safety. looks like they are clamping down for when people actually do not a walk on the banks but a run on the banks

See page for hear https://thelightpaper.co.uk/assets/pdf/Light-24-Final-Web.pdf

What do the banks do with the money when they have it? well I herd a story then when your money is in the bank you dont actually own it; they do! But they certainly dont lend it to borrowers so you can earn interest on it any more. No need the money is created out of thin air these days (said the David Icke)

But my advice to anyone is do not having saving in fiat currency. But if you are going to do it, dont use a bank

On 27/09/2022 at 10:44, Chandler365 said:

I would add, if I may, to a great check list, ' set up a gold price alert' then you wont miss the occasional sharp drop , saves you keep checking the spot price , this is what I do 

So its like the daily hedge thing? Having a bit of a gamble I guess. But as the bookies and casinos the broker always win! I mean you pay 9 odd quid for a transaction with Halifax share dealing and 0.39% with wisdomtree comodities

On 27/09/2022 at 07:15, dicker said:

 

My simple advice is to invest regularly over a period of time and:

Buy coins with the lowest premium over spot

Buy coins that are highly liquid (in the U.K., Sovereigns or Britannias)

Avoid proofs - unless you really know what you are going

Avoid bars

Im doing ETFs/ ETCs and Im charged over 9 quid a transaction, so putting little amounts in every other week would be quite expencive

Avoid bars; Why???