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1980 Quin

About 40 photos per stacked image, which is a lot.

I was close to minimum focus, which means the coin was larger than the height of the frame.  Therefore, I needed to do two passes, one for the bottom 2/3rds and one with the top 2/3rds.  I think the large number of images caused some of the odd artefacts, like bloom and ghosting, visible in the final images.  I will continue to experiment

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So I think I figured out what caused the ghosting - the double image most obvious around the TH of Elizabeth.

The problem

This is going to get quite detailed.  Sorry, but that's the nature of the beast.

As I said above, I was very close to the coin, almost minimum distance for the lens, in order to get maximum detail.  At minimum distance, objects appear 1:1 on the sensor.  The sensor is 24mm high.  But a quin sovereign is 39mm in diameter.  So I needed to do two passes, first across the bottom of the coins and second across the top, varying the focus between each shot.

Here's a photo from each of the two passes.  You can see only a narrow vertical stripe is in focus, maybe a quarter of the width of the coin on the left.  That's how focus stacking works - taking multiple images slowly moving the focus across the coin until you've covered the whole thing.

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After taking the shots of the bottom of the coin, I adjusted the camera slightly, tilting it upwards, and then repeated the process with the top.

Once I've photographed each pass, I use Photoshop to stitch everything together.  It will create a panorama of the two rows, and then take the sharpest parts of each image to make a single, super sharp image.  Very clever.

This normally works fine, but the problem here is with the stitching of the two halves.  Because I was so close to the coin, tilting the camera from bottom to top of the coin meant that the coin was at a significantly different angle.  That meant that Photoshop couldn't stitch them together to create a perfect join.

Photoshop is capable of adjusting for angle when working with a few images.  It will actually account for the tilt by distorting the images to fit together.  Also very clever.

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But when it has to blend 40 images, 20 from each row, I think it gets overwhelmed.  And with glare from light spots in the mix, it struggles.

The solution

The easiest solution is to just move the camera further back, so I can fit the whole coin into the frame.  That's what I've done most other times.

However, sometimes I just want to get into the tiniest details of the surface, but just can't fit the whole subject in one image.  So I have to use a panorama.

To make job easy for Photoshop, I needed to move within the plane of the image.  In other words, instead of tilting the lens I needed to move upwards without changing the angle.  The tripod has a vertical adjustment, but at macro scale it's not practical - any movement would be huge and with multiple kg of kit, pretty awkward to achieve accurately.  The macro mount allows me to precisely move in two axes, left-right and forward-backward, but not up-down.

However, to paraphrase, "if the camera won't come to the coin, the coin can come to the camera."

I can move the coin, much more easily and precisely than the camera.  Put the coin, cloth and background onto a small 'lab lifter'.  That way I can keep the camera locked down and move the coin up and down, and no angles change.  This provides movement in the third axis.

Results to follow...

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I did think of another (cheaper) solution.

Since the problem is caused by being unable to move the camera along the short axis of the image, i.e. up/down, I could mount the camera portrait-wise (vertically).  Then instead of photographing the top then bottom of the coin, I could photograph the left side of the coin then the right, using my existing macro rail to move 'sideways'.  This would translate to a top-to-bottom movement on the frame.

It would definitely be more cumbersome having the camera mounted that way.

12 Beginner Tips for Better Coin Photos

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On 10/05/2023 at 19:32, Charliemouse said:

1980 Quin

About 40 photos per stacked image, which is a lot.

I was close to minimum focus, which means the coin was larger than the height of the frame.  Therefore, I needed to do two passes, one for the bottom 2/3rds and one with the top 2/3rds.  I think the large number of images caused some of the odd artefacts, like bloom and ghosting, visible in the final images.  I will continue to experiment

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What lens are you using?🌞

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19 hours ago, Aldebaran said:

What lens are you using?🌞

Sigma 150mm f/2.8 EX DG APO HSM.

But as I state in the Choosing a Macro Lens tutorial, I wouldn't recommend it just for coin photography because it's too long.

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42 minutes ago, Charliemouse said:

Sigma 150mm f/2.8 EX DG APO HSM.

But as I state in the Choosing a Macro Lens tutorial, I wouldn't recommend it just for coin photography because it's too long.

Thank you, that’s great.

It’s Canon in our house and we have a 100mm Macro. 

Coin photography is an art form and you are good!!!!!

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17 hours ago, Aldebaran said:

Thank you, that’s great.

It’s Canon in our house and we have a 100mm Macro. 

Coin photography is an art form and you are good!!!!!

Thank you.

100mm is a better focal length for coins.  It's a bit more convenient, because you can get closer to the subject.

I use Nikon cameras.  Canon vs Nikon vs Sony after a while, doesn't matter.  You pick one to start with, and because lenses last 10 times longer than camera bodies, you are stuck with that choice forever.

But I thoroughly recommend third-party lenses, like Sigma.  Saved me a lot of money over the years.

12 Beginner Tips for Better Coin Photos

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First use of the lab lifter was with the Coronation £5.

Certainly improved, although not perfect.  I need to work on the technique, since I think the coin slipped when I moved the platform for the first time.

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You can see a slight mis-join where I've highlighted.

12 Beginner Tips for Better Coin Photos

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Carl Sagan: One of the great commandments of science is, "Mistrust arguments from authority."

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