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21 minutes ago, CazLikesCoins said:

Ooh the D850 is a brilliant camera. I used to have lots of Nikon kit when I did stock photography some years ago but now I use old Canon gear, the cheaper the better lol. Currently using a Canon 7D and bog standard primes. I don't have to worry about someone running off with it when I'm outside as it costs about as much to replace as a bag of chips lol.

I have a soft spot for secondhand electronics as well - I've been doing secondhand computers for the better part of 20 years now.  A little treatise on secondhand camera kit would be a fabulous addition to this board - after all, the less you spend on cameras the more you've got left over to buy shiny stuff with.  At some point I'll be looking to buy a secondhand camera and lens for taking pics of coins with, so a discussion of the matter by someone who's in the habit of doing this with camera kit would be most welcome.

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The Sovereign is the quintessentially British coin.  It has a German queen on the front, an Italian waiter on the back, and half of them were made in Australia.

 

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4 minutes ago, Silverlocks said:

I have a soft spot for secondhand electronics as well - I've been doing secondhand computers for the better part of 20 years now.  A little treatise on secondhand camera kit would be a fabulous addition to this board - after all, the less you spend on cameras the more you've got left over to buy shiny stuff with.  At some point I'll be looking to buy a secondhand camera and lens for taking pics of coins with, so a discussion of the matter by someone who's in the habit of doing this with camera kit would be most welcome.

Agreed!  I am definitely encouraging other people to contribute their experiences.

Of course, as you may have noticed, I was hoping my article was really a "what you should think about when buying photography kit" disguised as a review.

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1 minute ago, Silverlocks said:

I have a soft spot for secondhand electronics as well - I've been doing secondhand computers for the better part of 20 years now.  A little treatise on secondhand camera kit would be a fabulous addition to this board - after all, the less you spend on cameras the more you've got left over to buy shiny stuff with.  At some point I'll be looking to buy a secondhand camera and lens for taking pics of coins with, so a discussion of the matter by someone who's in the habit of doing this with camera kit would be most welcome.

There's a great website called MPB that specialises in second hand well priced camera gear at all levels from consumer to professional inc bodies, lenses and lighting. Some of their cameras go back over 20 years to near the dawning of digital SLRs. I think my 7D is about 12 years old and it still works as new. It just shows that things don't need to be new or the latest to simply function. And as you mention, second hand electronics have a certain charm and perhaps even nostalgia. Then again, perhaps I'm just a cheapskate. I think that factors into my thinking too haha.

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4 minutes ago, CazLikesCoins said:

[ . . . ]And as you mention, second hand electronics have a certain charm and perhaps even nostalgia. Then again, perhaps I'm just a cheapskate. I think that factors into my thinking too haha.

I think the big win with buying secondhand is that you can get decent kit quite cheaply simply because it's not the latest and greatest or (even better) it's come off lease at a small fraction of its new price.  I've got a nice Z440 workstation that, had I bought it new from HP, would have the most ardent of Apple fanboys clenching and drawing a sharp intake of breath.  Secondhand, it was quite manageable.

The Sovereign is the quintessentially British coin.  It has a German queen on the front, an Italian waiter on the back, and half of them were made in Australia.

 

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1 minute ago, Silverlocks said:

I think the big win with buying secondhand is that you can get decent kit quite cheaply simply because it's not the latest and greatest or (even better) it's come off lease at a small fraction of its new price.  I've got a nice Z440 workstation that, had I bought it new from HP, would have the most ardent of Apple fanboys clenching and drawing a sharp intake of breath.  Secondhand, it was quite manageable.

I agree. Buying second gives you access to some very high quality tech albeit some years old. I know it sounds like a paradox but as I'd rather have high quality old tech than brand new bottom range. My car's really old too and keeps on ticking. I just don't see the point of buying anything new, unless its food or toilet paper lol

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11 hours ago, Zeuk said:

Ive had a Pentax K-5 sitting alone in a cupboard un-used for a few years now, nothing special but should take good snaps, was thinking of giving it a run out for taking photos of coins... need to remember how to use it now 

What lens do you have?  You may struggle with the kit lens to close enough.  You can get K-mount macro lenses, although they are few and far between.

Another issue you may have is, if it has been sitting in a cupboard for a while, the lithium battery is probably very dead.  Hopefully it hasn't leaked.

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5 minutes ago, Charliemouse said:

What lens do you have?  You may struggle with the kit lens to close enough.  You can get K-mount macro lenses, although they are few and far between.

Another issue you may have is, if it has been sitting in a cupboard for a while, the lithium battery is probably very dead.  Hopefully it hasn't leaked.

Luckily the battery was fine, stuck it on charge last night and the house hasn't burnt down.  The lense is the 18-135 that came with it, not sure I fancy splashing out for a different one tbh, had a look last night and given how much use it'll get I don't think its worth it.  Do you think an 18-135 will give me good results?

 

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9 minutes ago, Zeuk said:

Luckily the battery was fine, stuck it on charge last night and the house hasn't burnt down.  The lense is the 18-135 that came with it, not sure I fancy splashing out for a different one tbh, had a look last night and given how much use it'll get I don't think its worth it.  Do you think an 18-135 will give me good results?

Obviously your best bet is to try it.  It has a native ~1:4 ratio and a MFD of 40cm, so it is certainly not ideal for macro photography.  With the smaller sensor, you are looking at sovereigns being less than 1/3rd of the frame height, so you would need crop.  You have 16 million pixels to play with, so cropping won't be disastrous.

However, if you have a relatively recent mobile phone, that might be the shorter route to better images.

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One tip mostly overlooked is to check your time/date back up battery hasn't corroded. Its usually a 2032 button battery screwed into the grip alongside the main lithium cell. Although some cameras have a recharge circuit instead of the 2032 cell. Worth checking as they can leak and ruin a camera that's along on years.

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21 minutes ago, CazLikesCoins said:

One tip mostly overlooked is to check your time/date back up battery hasn't corroded. Its usually a 2032 button battery screwed into the grip alongside the main lithium cell. Although some cameras have a recharge circuit instead of the 2032 cell. Worth checking as they can leak and ruin a camera that's along on years.

Wow, that is old school.  I'd forgotten all about backup batteries.

Most cameras these days don't have backup batteries, but just use very low power circuits and capacitors.  After some time (could be days, could be months) the camera just gives up and you will need to set up the clock again.

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36 minutes ago, Zeuk said:

Luckily the battery was fine, stuck it on charge last night and the house hasn't burnt down.  

As for the battery, it will definitely be damaged by leaving it flat for so long - just a fact of life for lithium.  It probably won't hold as much charge now.

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40 minutes ago, Charliemouse said:

Obviously your best bet is to try it.  It has a native ~1:4 ratio and a MFD of 40cm, so it is certainly not ideal for macro photography.  With the smaller sensor, you are looking at sovereigns being less than 1/3rd of the frame height, so you would need crop.  You have 16 million pixels to play with, so cropping won't be disastrous.

However, if you have a relatively recent mobile phone, that might be the shorter route to better images.

Yeah on trying the two i did think the iPhone came out better tbh 😆

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10 minutes ago, Charliemouse said:

Wow, that is old school.  I'd forgotten all about backup batteries.

Most cameras these days don't have backup batteries, but just use very low power circuits and capacitors.  After some time (could be days, could be months) the camera just gives up and you will need to set up the clock again.

It's one of the reasons I like old camera bodies, being able to change the cells. Also having a button cell keeps the settings ticking over for years without a main battery in the camera, as opposed to a recharge circuit depleting within weeks/months once the main battery is out for storage.

I like a simple life with simple things. I'm still not keen on anything that isn't powered by a double A. And I don't even want to think about the built in/ glued in Macbook and iPhone batteries 😄

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9 minutes ago, Zeuk said:

Yeah on trying the two i did think the iPhone came out better tbh 😆

If you got a macro lens, it would blow away the iPhone.

Phones these days are amazingly good, especially at general photography.  But you can't beat physics - the difference between a 6mm lens and 60mm lens.

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Photographs of the gear described.

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  • Grey cube at the bottom of the last picture, for calibrating white balance
  • Lab lifter, under the cloth, for vertical movement of the subject.
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Carl Sagan: One of the great commandments of science is, "Mistrust arguments from authority."

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