Great Engravers - Petition Crown (Gazette Proclamation)

[westminstrel]

26 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

I haven't seen it, but that must surely be what happens. It's the only physically possible way of doing it and explains why the ring is not continuous.

I had been thinking about how they would make this coin a while back and it reminded me of multi slide injection molding processes, but the process they've ended up going for is beautifully simple, albeit not suitable for mass production.

It will be interesting to see if the join line is visible on any edges? It must be to some extent surely.

 

Yes it is indeed much more manual than I had imagined.

Instead of a band being placed manually, I was actually imagining something like four metal arcs with the lettering mechanically encapsulating the blank from the sides, and then pulling back out once the coin has been struck and the lettering impressed on the edge.

[JeffM]

Less than 2K of the 2 oz. silver sets has sold.  1,346 sets still available.

[paulmerton]

5 hours ago, westminstrel said:

Aha!! So they take out the coin with the band around it, and then ever so slightly pry the band off the coin?

Rather excellently the join line is visible and it appears in the same place as on the original. That suggests to me the original was probably made in the same way.

[dirt94]

55 minutes ago, JeffM said:

Less than 2K of the 2 oz. silver sets has sold.  1,346 sets still available.

I would be OK if nobody ends up buying them, they melt them down, and then this becomes the lowest mintage of the series just because nobody wanted to buy it!

[westminstrel]

1 hour ago, JeffM said:

Less than 2K of the 2 oz. silver sets has sold.  1,346 sets still available.

What about the 5oz and 10oz silvers?

4 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

Rather excellently the join line is visible and it appears in the same place as on the original. That suggests to me the original was probably made in the same way.

Now that is actually a rather cool discovery and piece of deduction by you. 🙂

[JeffM]

21 minutes ago, westminstrel said:

What about the 5oz and 10oz silvers?

Now that is actually a rather cool discovery and piece of deduction by you. 🙂

5 oz. silver set - 41 available

10 oz. silver - 20 available

[NumismaticNI]

Problems with the petition crown set I've came across on closer inspection.

* Edge band joint split.

* Edge band off center around the blank so it sits at an angle making it slightly raised over the rim, because it's raised this in turn creates a shadow when viewed at different angles and also creates like a crinkle on excess band thats sitting higher than the rim. 

* Scores through the word lettering.(Behind) the lettering so was done on the band before the lettering has been added 

Nice coin as mentioned yesterday rewind to yesterday's posts to have a look. Those were quick photos before good inspection. 

 

 

 

[NumismaticNI]

2 minutes ago, NumismaticNI said:

Problems with the petition crown set I've came across on closer inspection.

* Edge band joint split.

* Edge band off center around the blank so it sits at an angle making it slightly raised over the rim, because it's raised this in turn creates a shadow when viewed at different angles and also creates like a crinkle on excess band thats sitting higher than the rim. 

* Scores through the word lettering.(Behind) the lettering so was done on the band before the lettering has been added 

Nice coin as mentioned yesterday rewind to yesterday's posts to have a look. Those were quick photos before good inspection. 

 

 

 

 

[NumismaticNI]

See photos attached. Band isnt even on the edge properly. Crinkled the edges of the band also. And complete split on the joint 

[NumismaticNI]

Disappointing very disappointing. Lovely coin, edge lettering is lovely, looks the part for sure. On closer inspection when actually had time to go over the coin, it's poor to say the least. 

Edited March 24, 2023 by NumismaticNI
Left out a word on my sentence

[NumismaticNI]

1 minute ago, NumismaticNI said:

 

Because the edge band isn't on properly and straight you see the clear rubber block inside the capsule it's also damaged the edge band by pushing it inwards towards the face of the coin. 

[jcbxly]

Does the silver 1Oz have the same problem?

[NumismaticNI]

Jcbxly.

Marks behind the lettering was the 2oz Silver.

Yours could be fine. I hope.

Was more disappointed with the problems with the Gold. Edge band was correctly aligned on the Silver. 

[paulmerton]

23 minutes ago, NumismaticNI said:

Problems with the petition crown set I've came across on closer inspection.

* Edge band joint split.

* Edge band off center around the blank so it sits at an angle making it slightly raised over the rim, because it's raised this in turn creates a shadow when viewed at different angles and also creates like a crinkle on excess band thats sitting higher than the rim. 

* Scores through the word lettering.(Behind) the lettering so was done on the band before the lettering has been added 

Nice coin as mentioned yesterday rewind to yesterday's posts to have a look. Those were quick photos before good inspection. 

 

 

 

I assumed the edge band joint (didn't know it was called that?) is there to stop the coin rotating within the capsule, so it would need to press against the coin. Not sure what you mean about it being "off center around blank"?

I haven't noticed any scoring through the lettering - are you sure it's isn't on the capsule itself, like on this one?

 

 

[paulmerton]

1 minute ago, paulmerton said:

* Edge band joint split.

 

Oh I understand what this means now   Surely it's supposed to be like that, like it was on the real coin?

[JeffM]

22 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

I assumed the edge band joint (didn't know it was called that?) is there to stop the coin rotating within the capsule, so it would need to press against the coin. Not sure what you mean about it being "off center around blank"?

I haven't noticed any scoring through the lettering - are you sure it's isn't on the capsule itself, like on this one?

 

 

Wow, that looks terrible.  It looks like the raised letters scraped the capsule when the coin was inserted in it.

[paulmerton]

5 minutes ago, JeffM said:

Wow, that looks terrible.  It looks like the raised letters scraped the capsule when the coin was inserted in it.

Oh yeah, it probably has! Which means there'll be annoyingly tiny slivers of perspex dangling about inside the capsule too.

[Wampum]

1 hour ago, NumismaticNI said:

 

Hi Just a thought, with regards to these images. I really like these in the gold, however would've had to sell a kidney to get them. 

They look like a partial collar, where the planchet has been forced between the die edge and the collar,

which would mean that this would most likely be a mint error.

Two reasons could be that the blank was slightly off centre when it was put into the die or that the pressure and distance was just slightly out when minting.

Both would cause the metal to escape at the weakest point, which would in this case be the joint, and a similar distance on ether side of the joint .

depending on the amount of Gold that was pushed out.

There could also be a weakness to the opposite side edge lettering or at the highest points , although with only a small amount of gold moved there might be no discernible difference.

You could ether return as being poorly struck, or have it sent to NGC as a possible mint error. 

To be honest with the price of these, and the mintage figures, the Mint should never have sent this out. 

                  

[NumismaticNI]

See latest photos 

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[NumismaticNI]

That's the very best photos I can seem to get. Be great to hear feedback on what's happened. I think the photos I have provided will let you see what I was trying to explain .

 

Many thanks for all your help 

[NumismaticNI]

Look at this photo. You'll see what I mean about the edge band sitting raised, not flush with the rim of the coin.. not properly jointed either. My technical wording my be incorrect. What's caused this? I don't know if an error but poor quality for the price. 

[NumismaticNI]

Westminstrel, you seem to be a regular. Can you advise or share your knowledge of what has happened please? 

Edited March 24, 2023 by NumismaticNI