Yet Another Obvious Fake Sovereign by The Auction Mill of Omaha on LiveAuctioneers 1911-C

[LawrenceChard]

Yet Another Obvious Fake Sovereign by The Auction Mill of Omaha on LiveAuctioneers 1911-C

Following a few recent reports of counterfeit os suspect gold sovereigns on a number of online auction sites, I signed up to LiveAuctioneers on the hope I could e-mail to alert them about this one:

On that occasion, I said "I intended to send them (LiveAuctioneers) an e-mail similar to the one I sent to Invaluable, but I could not find an e-mail address for them on their website. It appears that they do not wish to know or receive communications!

However, I have received a promotional e-mail from them every day since.

One I just received had this as top of its list:

1911 King George V Gold Sovereign
Estimate
$2,000 - $5,000

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/144008850_1911-king-george-v-gold-sovereign

Here is a screenshot:

The seller "The Auction House" does not even mention it is an Ottawa Canada mint.

The estimate is ludicrous at $2000 - $5000

Even from the screenshot, I think most TSF members will be able to tell the coin is fake, but just in case, here are both photos:

Obverse above, and:

Reverse

I thought I would use the "Ask a Question" button, which remended me that I tried last time, and could not get past this screen:

 

 

I have altered my phone number, but even with a valid number, I could not proceed.

Whether it's because this a dumb American website which does not recognise alien (non-US) numbers, addresses, postcodes, I don't know, and don't really care.

If anyone else cares to try, you are welcome, let us know how you get on.

😎

 

[modofantasma]

8 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

The seller "The Auction House" does not even mention it is an Ottawa Canada mint.

The Auction Mill in Omaha Nebraska appears to be the seller. Found their website and contact details 👍🏼

https://www.theauctionmill.com/contact

 

[dicker]

I have gone in hard with a “Difficult” email.  
 

Let’s see if I get a response!

[LawrenceChard]

5 minutes ago, dicker said:

I have gone in hard with a “Difficult” email.  
Let’s see if I get a response!

Do you fancy posting a copy here?

😎

[LawrenceChard]

14 minutes ago, modofantasma said:

The Auction Mill in Omaha Nebraska appears to be the seller. Found their website and contact details 👍🏼

https://www.theauctionmill.com/contact

 

I had to smile at:

The Auction Mill is one of the Midwest's largest liquidators of restaurant, food service, hotel, laundromat and business liquidations.

We are also a licensed federal firearms dealer who specializes in online firearms auctions.

In addition to business liquidations and firearms, we are expert marketers of gold, silver, coins, currency, rare antiques and sports memorabilia.

The Auction Mill is located in Omaha, NE and is in the process of opening an office in Orange County California.

1528 N. Saddle Creek Road
Omaha, NE 68104
USA
4026908666

Liquidators? firearms dealer?

Might be safer not to complain!

😎

[dicker]

Certainly.

I thought it might be be useful to give Tom a little help with geography.

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Hi Tom

I have seen the listing for the 1911 Ottawa (As in Canada, which is missing from the auction listing).

The Sovereign listed is clearly counterfeit.

Please do get expert advice if you are not a numismatist and don’t trust my opinion.

I will post an analysis of why this is counterfeit on FB, Insta and Twitter if you don’t remove the listing or, clearly mark this as counterfeit on the ad.

 

 

 

[dicker]

And the response:

Best Dicker

 

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Hi Dicker,

 

Thanks for the email and if you don't mind pumping the breaks before calling all the online authorities. We don't want to mislead anyone. Please give us a moment to take a look at the lot and if need be, we will remove the item. We appreciate the email. Tom

 

Tom Millie CAI, GPPA

The Auction Mill

1528 N Saddle Creek Rd

Omaha, NE 68104

Email: [email protected]

Text/Mobile: 402.690.8666

Office: 402.885.4916

www.TheAuctionMill.com

[Bogart]

Well is still up there, currently $36

[modofantasma]

31 minutes ago, Bogart said:

Well is still up there, currently $36

Time for another email I suppose 

[modofantasma]

On 13/01/2023 at 22:42, dicker said:

I have gone in hard with a “Difficult” email.  
 

Let’s see if I get a response!

I went for the "I'm merely an individual collector but I'm concerned about one of your listings" approach