Forum threads and etiquette

[GoldDiggerDave]

Hi Leon welcome back to the forum!

I'll start this off £10  what do we win and when does the auction finish!  

 

 

[Leonmarsh]

4 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Hi Leon welcome back to the forum!

I'll start this off £10  what do we win and when does the auction finish!  

 

 

Dave I have never left 

Maybe take heed of the comments from other forum members 

Thanks 👍

[GoldDiggerDave]

6 hours ago, James32 said:

Here's my take on it ( not that anyone asked)

If ive personally upset someone and "assuming" I actually have? and they are not just a self absorbed know it all, whom happens to be steeped in "irony" then I sincerely apologise. If your out there feeling aggrieved, then please feel free to PM and I will sincerely listen and hopefully rectify the issue. 

My threads ( can only speak for me) seem to get a lot of noise, I never asked for it,nor do I covet it. I do though recognise that it's coming from a place of lighthearted jest and respond in the same way. I never worry if its effecting my sales as those that truly want to buy "will buy" I'm guilty of returning the favour on occasion 😅 but to only those I'm sure warrant it. 

I'm also guilty off maybe overwhelming a post by tagging people I've spoken to recently, or remember they maybe after a certain item? I know ive helped sales ,but that all stops now and everyone can fend for themselves.

As for cliques?? When I joined the forum there was an abundance of already formed "cliques" and it was quite off-putting, but I seem to have landed/fallen into a certain group of like minded people who can see life from a similar position. I would like to think this normal? And I certainly know that any new comer who attempts to interact with me/this group, is welcomed with open arm's. Cant say that about every clique?? Can a forum of over 18000 members all have the same personalities/traits? Highly doubtful.

I know from feedback during private messages or from purchases/sales, that I've made a positive entry into a members stacking/selling journey, whether it be holding items till payday, actually advising them its not the right item for them, advising on actual condition ( not the bullion bollocks that most hide behind) cutting costs and helping with postage,managing expectations, and try to deliver a rapid service, whether I'm paying or receiving payment.

My view is, If someone wants to buy my item, they will buy it. They won't even have the brain power to see the comments on the thread, their focus and determination will ensure they get a price and condition then message to purchase. How do I know this? Because its what goes through my mind when I see something that sings to my taste/wallet. I get condition and if the price is deemed acceptable in my tiny brain, then I buy and pay within ( sometimes seconds) I'm very aware of how valuable people's time is,so I make it as painless as possible. 

I do agree that sales posts do get messy at times, but I've also witnessed it helping sales in a positive manner. How this can be controlled/changed is up to the moderation team, pretty sure they already act on blatant attempts of sabotage though?

I've hand on heart never used the report function since joining, call me old fashioned but talking usually helps. 

Change maybe needed, but if so, then change is needed across the board?? Yes!

Fun is good, can be taken too far at times I agree, but I think the forum police's itself remarkably well. We need to be very careful we don't create a super sterile environment that feels like a library, we can't all buy every second of every day, so if the only thing to exist on the forum was sterile sales posts with no comments allowed, then I'm cancelling my membership and finding other outlets to aquire what I need ( I can get that non personal experience from dealers) 

By all means tighten up on absolute nonsense, but also tighten up on the complete bullshit that goes on too. Favouritism, misleading/unhelpful information. Complaining about things- deep down you know have no impact on your plan/day. Trying it on with pricing and hoping to catch a naive newcomer by the short and curlys? Insulting offers, Complaining about the forum only hurts the forum and will sabotage it's progression. many things should change but I'm voting against taking fun out of the equation.

We can "all" improve, but at least I know personally that I've done right by people ( with their interests at heart not mine) and have never been out to get anyone, if I have a problem, I will message to fix. If ive made a mistake and I either realise or have been made aware,I will message to fix.

 

 

 

This should be you title for your next sale mate🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[GoldDiggerDave]

3 minutes ago, Leonmarsh said:

Dave I have never left 

Maybe take heed of the comments from other forum members 

Thanks 👍

It was a comment you said,  you said YOU sold off your stack and YOU were going to spend your time else where.  

Of course it great to hear you are back, or you saying now you never left as you add so much depth and wisdom to this forum.  

I will personally look for you sales and I promise I will never comment on them. 

[Leonmarsh]

1 minute ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

It was a comment you said,  you said YOU sold off your stack and YOU were going to spend your time else where.  

Of course it great to hear you are back, or you saying now you never left as you add so much depth and wisdom to this forum.  

I will personally look for you sales and I promise I will never comment on them. 

Dave, step back have a think your business of grading relies on people using you, and be default feeling comfortable sending there expensive coins to you 

In response to your backhanded quip, I don't claim to add any depth or wisdom.more than the next man,  and with respect I don't see much from you in terms of of knowledge or wisdom other than flipping and pumping out modern proofs, I have personally been put off using you for grading because of the constant gags

I have sold my stack bar one coin but my interest remains with pms, unlike others who seems to spend there life in here I also have other interests

Will I get back into pms probably 

 

 

[GoldDiggerDave]

1 minute ago, Leonmarsh said:

Dave, step back have a think your business of grading relies on people using you, and be default feeling comfortable sending there expensive coins to you 

In response to your backhanded quip, I don't claim to add any depth or wisdom.more than the next man,  and with respect I don't see much from you in terms of of knowledge or wisdom other than flipping and pumping out modern proofs, I have personally been put off using you for grading because of the constant gags

I have sold my stack bar one coin but my interest remains with pms, unlike others who seems to spend there life in here I also have other interests

Will I get back into pms probably 

 

 

Fantastic news! ,  

If you look at the activity page the more banter, the more hits the more the sales are on the top of this list, when I'm on my phone I use this as my default TSF home screen so I'm drawn into sales/auction with more hits.  I've seen loads of banter in sales listings and I end up bidding for a  laugh and end up buying lots that I would have never known they were listed, I certainly would not have not looked for them. So the best thing to do if you do not want this for yourself then put something in the rules of your sales/auction.  (Serious auction only) (No fun here)  or Vice versa for those who do 

Have you ever thought about PM ing the people who do regularly comment on your sales?........I do and I sell direct to them for instance if they comment of a full sovereign and might not have a enough money to buy it I'll offer them a 1/2 0r a 1/4  every comment is a opportunity to sell,  I've done this recently on my Queens Beast sales and generated another 4 sales.     

This forum is full of very sharp people some I begrudgingly admire it's self policing. 

 

[GoldDiggerDave]

Leon, I just asked a question in your sales post, "For scientific and demonstration purposes only"  

This is what happens on the activity thread most people use......It's just bumped it up!  

 

Good luck with the sale! 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by GoldDiggerDave

[Orpster]

Can see your point as when I post something for sale and see it has had a few comments I am always slightly disappointed when one of them is not 'yes please' 

However often the people commenting are buyers, maybe not on that item but on previous and future items, so are the backbone of the sales forum.  I both buy and sell on here is reasonable quantities and I am happy for banter on my sales posts, however irrelevant, especially if it is a meme that makes me chuckle.  Someone commenting its a nice price / item etc are hurting nobody and may well be actually helping sell something - even more so those that tag potential buyers.  Who does not love a free bump or enough comments to make their post a hot topic.  I would rather have three pages off banter than a tumbleweed, that makes me worry I have overpriced my item or its a heaping pile of rubbish.  Comments also make me feel more part of a community when I am selling.  

But hey, horses for courses eh!  If people do not want banter maybe put that fact in your post and/or report anything you find irrelevant as I have found Chris and the guys are quite proactive when comments are flagged.

So chill everyone, were all different

 

[Booky586]

8 hours ago, James32 said:

As for cliques?? When I joined the forum there was an abundance of already formed "cliques" and it was quite off-putting, but I seem to have landed/fallen into a certain group of like minded people who can see life from a similar position. I would like to think this normal? And I certainly know that any new comer who attempts to interact with me/this group, is welcomed with open arm's. Cant say that about every clique?? Can a forum of over 18000 members all have the same personalities/traits? Highly doubtful.

Clique wasn't a well chosen word by myself and I hope I've not offended you or anyone else, that wasn't the intention.

[Zeuk]

When it comes to the interweb i think its best not to let what other people do bother you negatively.  The humour in some threads I find is welcoming for a newcomer, probably drives up engagement and helps build trust, mostly its just a reflection of different personalities, which is somewhat inevitable in an open discussion environment - without it and with chat capabilities things would become polarised and constrained to whatever personality wields control/power or you have to build another ebay and just transact - ebay lacks trust because you cant get to know people at least to some extent.  Imo you can be a serious person whilst being light hearted. 

[GoldDiggerDave]

£15

[LawrenceChard]

10 hours ago, Roy said:

Agreed, 'you don't know what you've got until it's gone!'

To mitigate the loss, I keep the Chard's website tab open to monitor the £/$ price and the site has its own compare function too.

(I realise you probably know this already!)

😀

That's good to hear, although you probably notice we had a glitch last night affecting all 4 PM prices,

It looked like a faulty GBP:USD exchange rate. This iself was showing as around 1.0035 for some time, against what looked like an actual rate of about 1.10 to 1.11

We still do not what caused this, but are investigating. It also affected our on-site product pricing. We do have a number of filters and alerts in place, and these will be subject to checking and review.

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[LawrenceChard]

41 minutes ago, Booky586 said:

Clique wasn't a well chosen word by myself and I hope I've not offended you or anyone else, that wasn't the intention.

It cliqued with me!

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[PapaLazarou]

58 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

We still do not what caused this, but are investigating. It also affected our on-site product pricing. We do have a number of filters and alerts in place, and these will be subject to checking and review.

You are not alone, some make outrageous claims...

(GB News, 19th August, 2022)

Edited October 10, 2022 by PapaLazarou

[GoldStatue]

32 minutes ago, PapaLazarou said:

You are not alone, some make outrageous claims...

Wow that would be a dream scenario 😀

[James32]

1 hour ago, Booky586 said:

Clique wasn't a well chosen word by myself and I hope I've not offended you or anyone else, that wasn't the intention.

Never offended but I appreciate your response. 

[LawrenceChard]

12 hours ago, Leonmarsh said:

Forum threads and etiquette

Does anyone else think the forum has gone a bit stupid with long threads of people talking rubbish when they are trying to sell or auction a coin ?

Here goes the next comment 

How many in a tube is it free postage and I would buy it but I'm skint 

It makes me shake my head, and smile at the same time, when I see topics such as:

Only started in March this year, and now up to 603 pages, and countless comments.

Its popularity is clear evidence that there is a demand for banter.

In contrast, I might post a detailed page, with great photographs, perhaps about a gold sovereign variety, a market analysis, or something else quite serious, and it runs to 2 pages, and sometimes fewer. I shrug, smile, and carry on.

I understand that you are probably not complaining about the banter in the NBS thread, but about irrelevant or semi-relevant comments on your sales posts. It will always happen, and and some have already said, these probably help in that they create "bumps".

Imagine being a full time, professional numismatic and bullion coin dealer, creating probably the world's first pro coin website, with loads of information and advice pages, then getting asked questions you just answered online.

Back in 1998, the only way for me to maintain sanity was through a litle light relief, for example:

https://24carat.co.uk/frame.php?url=coinquestionstheyaskus.html

Some may think that was unprofessional, but...

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[LawrenceChard]

49 minutes ago, PapaLazarou said:

You are not alone, some make outrageous claims...

Brilliant!

Where / who was that?

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[LawrenceChard]

10 hours ago, James32 said:

( I can get that non personal experience from dealers) 

With at least one exception!

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[GoldDiggerDave]

ok £20 but I want free RMSD

[Silverlocks]

In my experience a culture of banter and irreverence is a sign of a healthy forum and is one of the strongest defences against the forum turning toxic.  I'm pretty sure TSF would die if a toxic culture was allowed to take hold here.  We really don't want to encourage folks taking themselves too seriously or allow a culture of gatekeeping to take hold - that really is the kiss of death for a forum.

I think allowing a bit of banter and shitposting is the best defence a forum has against toxicity and is a good canary to keep an eye on the health of an online community.  A couple of forums I'm involved in deliberately encourage banter for this reason, and one of those was explicitly established because other forums had gone toxic.

 

[LawrenceChard]

3 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

ok £20 but I want free RMSD

I'm all for more of that:

Root Mean Square Deviation (RMSD) is the most commonly used quantitative measure of the similarity between two superimposed atomic coordinates. RMSD values are presented in Å and calculated by. R M S D = 1 n ∑ i = 1 n d i 2.

Maths rules, OK?

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[ZigZag]

12 hours ago, Leonmarsh said:

Supportive of people making positive comments such this is a nice piece, and so on 

Its just the nonsense Im not a fan of

Yeah I get this, but I’ve never had a problem with odd comments myself but in response to the o.p AND trying to be brief, I personally think @Tn21 sums it up well. As a forum banter is good, maybe a bit more self moderation or in appropriate threads would be kind to others.

11 hours ago, Tn21 said:

The sales threads could be tightened up, but it is up to us to report and flag anything outside the 'permitted boundaries'

Having said that the more paid up members the better, the forum needs to grow and evolve.

@Orpster and @Zeuk make slightly longer points I’d say most will feel comfortable with, it’s really good this forum is welcoming and light hearted in places, I’ve found most people to be really engaging and helpful the past couple of years; so maybe it’s just a question of being respectful, so as not to deter grumpy old men like @Roy 🙂

[SilverDrum]

30 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

I'm all for more of that:

Blimey, i thought hell had finally frozen over and the postage would be free from this day onwards! But, alas....

[James32]

7 hours ago, Happypanda88 said:

I wanted to ask this question for a long time, what % commission do you charge sellers !? 🤑😂

£5 per successful tag. I've made 0 so far but next year will be better😁