2023 Sovereign design - What say you?

[Ted1945]

After all the years he spent as Prince of Wales  maybe he developed  a soft spot for Dragons?     

[SovereignBishop]

Perhaps I will be in the minority but for personal reasons of principle, will not be purchasing any coin with Charles on.

[LawrenceChard]

23 minutes ago, Ted1945 said:

After all the years he spent as Prince of Wales  maybe he developed  a soft spot for Dragons?     

Yes, that's a very good point!

It may need to ba a Welsh Dragon!

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[SovereignBishop]

Could a coin with one effigy on each side be used ?

The now redundant Elizabeth on one side and the new Charles on the other, facing the opposite direction ? A symbolic hand over ?

[LawrenceChard]

13 minutes ago, SovereignBishop said:

Perhaps I will be in the minority but for personal reasons of principle, will not be purchasing any coin with Charles on.

May we ask what the "personal reasons of principle" are?

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[HerefordBullyun]

7 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

May we ask what the "personal reasons of principle" are?

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Coin will be too large to store due to the ear factor! And no one can afford 1kg sov

[SovereignBishop]

10 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

May we ask what the "personal reasons of principle" are?

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Probably best not to really. Let’s say I don’t like the man and think he is a disgrace.

[LawrenceChard]

3 minutes ago, SovereignBishop said:

Probably best not to really. Let’s say I don’t like the man and think he is a disgrace.

Fair enough, but it would have been good to hear why.

I am aware he has not been perfect, but have any of us?

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[SovereignBishop]

45 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Fair enough, but it would have been good to hear why.

I am aware he has not been perfect, but have any of us?

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That is very true. 

[MonkeysUncle]

2 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

 

3) The 2023 gold sovereigns will still be copper red not golden yellow.

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Special limited edition red on the obverse and yellow on the reverse.

And don't forget the special limited edition yellow on the obverse and red on the reverse...

[westminstrel]

7 hours ago, Petra said:

Not an issue, they have used a photograph 🫢

I believe Jody Clark too used photographs for QE II’s 5th effigy and there was never an actual “sit down” (if that’s what you were imagining).

Here’s an excerpt from the Royal Mint website:

https://www.royalmint.com/our-coins/events/the-queens-platinum-jubilee/the-coinage-portraits-of-her-majesty-the-queen--the-artists-stories/

“Everyone who entered the competition was supplied with the same reference material, showing The Queen facing different ways and in a number of different angles. I also did quite a lot of research online to find more natural, unposed images of her. I looked at the designs of the previous effigies and I wanted my design to work as part of that set as well as to work on its own.”

Jody Clark

Edited September 30, 2022 by westminstrel

[westminstrel]

Ian Rank-Broadley too did his 4th effigy based on photographs:

Raphael Maklouf and Arnold Machin however managed to get sittings with the Queen for the 3rd and 2nd effigies respectively.

I’m seeing that Mary Gillick too did NOT get a sitting with the Queen but based her effigy on a photograph.

Long story short… it’s not surprising if we were to find out that KC III’s portrait was likely done based on photographs.

[SidS]

I still think the Broadley portrait is the most accurate portrait of the Queen there was. Not my favourite by any stretch.

In the same way the Thomas Brock, Joseph Boehm and the Leonard Wyon portraits (old, jubilee and bronze bun head) were the most accurate Victoria depictions.

The new Charles one is very accurate.

[EdwardTeach]

On 20/09/2022 at 08:37, westminstrel said:

It is likely the 2023 Sovereign will be the first with King Charles III obverse.

So the simple question here, just as a  fun discussion, is what reverse design would you like to see?

Classic St. George and the Dragon.

[Britannia47]

Charles should be given the chance to prove himself. After all, he has a hard act to follow. I believe he will modernise the monarchy preferably by slimming it down and getting rid of hangers on!  He could also exile Andrew to the U.A.E.! 😉As for the Clergy, remind the Public about the misdemeanours of religious leaders, particularly the Catholic Church, and their abusive behaviour over the past decades. All right with you Bishop?!!….

[EdwardTeach]

We now have a monarch who, as heir, chose to be self-serving in his personal life, engaged in questionable dealings when taking money for his causes, and decided to interfere repeatedly in politics and side with entities such as the WEF, in a way that members of a constitutional monarchy never should. If Charles stays on I fear it may spell the end of the monarchy within the next few years.

[Stuntman]

I think that King Charles understands the role and obligations of being the monarch as opposed to the heir apparent, and I think he will do just fine.

Time will tell, of course.

[EdwardTeach]

On 01/10/2022 at 19:25, Stuntman said:

I think that King Charles understands the role and obligations of being the monarch as opposed to the heir apparent, and I think he will do just fine.

Time will tell, of course.

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Edited October 3, 2022 by EdwardTeach

[westminstrel]

So given that the coins released today are supposed to be shipped around end January, what are we expecting will happen for the 2023 Sovereign?

Will the 2023 Sovereign be released in November as usual, but shipped out only AFTER today’s coins are shipped out (meaning sometime in February)?

And what about mintages… do we think the RM may take the “unlimited for X weeks” approach for the smaller denominations like Full, Half and Quarter Sovereign, but still have mintage limits as usual on the sets including the Double and Five Sovereign?

[Britannia47]

On 02/10/2022 at 19:35, EdwardTeach said:

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If Charles were to make an apolitical speech on his favourite subject Climate Control, why does he have to be ‘gagged’? It’s way of introducing himself to the world. He’s probably more knowledgable than most on the subject. The world needs all the constructive suggestions it can get, before it descends into a the cesspit of pollution and rubbish. Under the cloak of interference are the politicians afraid he might say something useful or perhaps embarrassing? Maybe, but at least he would have tried…. 

[SidS]

1 hour ago, Britannia47 said:

If Charles were to make an apolitical speech on his favourite subject Climate Control, why does he have to be ‘gagged’? It’s way of introducing himself to the world. He’s probably more knowledgable than most on the subject. The world needs all the constructive suggestions it can get, before it descends into a the cesspit of pollution and rubbish. Under the cloak of interference are the politicians afraid he might say something useful or perhaps embarrassing? Maybe, but at least he would have tried…. 

I'm not sure if it is that exactly (which it may well be), or whether it's Theresa2 attempting to show she's in control.

When most new PMs come into office, the news is all about them and their agenda but Liz didn't get that.

Both she and Charles started out on the same week. I can't help but think he's had his debut and set his reign off on a good start. Liz was totally overshadowed, maybe she feels she has to present her message to the world and not let the monarchy do it for her?

I have to say at the Queen's funeral when I saw Keir Starmer walking in Westminster Abbey, I thought where's the PM, where's Boris?

[Britannia47]

53 minutes ago, SidS said:

I'm not sure if it is that exactly (which it may well be), or whether it's Theresa2 attempting to show she's in control.

When most new PMs come into office, the news is all about them and their agenda but Liz didn't get that.

Both she and Charles started out on the same week. I can't help but think he's had his debut and set his reign off on a good start. Liz was totally overshadowed, maybe she feels she has to present her message to the world and not let the monarchy do it for her?

I have to say at the Queen's funeral when I saw Keir Starmer walking in Westminster Abbey, I thought where's the PM, where's Boris?

Good point!  I hadn't considered that. 

[Slam]

Sorry if this was already posted but I stumbled across this just now and it shows the design for the 2023 sovereign, don't know if source is reliable though.

https://britanniacoincompany.com/collections/2023-sovereign/

Scrap that, think that's just rumoured design.

Sorry 

Edited October 5, 2022 by Slam

[bluffer]

noticed that RM have got the 2023 gold and silver brits of various sizes on the web site as "pre sell"   No sign of the 23 sovereign yet though.

[MonkeysUncle]

A certain Blackpool based dealer emailed me yesterday offering Queenie 2023 Brits available to pre-order.