2023 Sovereign design - What say you?

[westminstrel]

It is likely the 2023 Sovereign will be the first with King Charles III obverse.

So the simple question here, just as a  fun discussion, is what reverse design would you like to see?

Edited October 7, 2022 by westminstrel

[westminstrel]

My own preference would be the classic St. George and the Dragon.

I’m a bit of a traditionalist and also not too keen on frequent special designs (of which we’ve seen quite a few in the last 10 years including privy marks).

[AaaGee]

Spitfires over the white cliffs.

Bring it up to date and remember those who fought for what we have now.

 

[Britannia47]

I suggest keep it simple. The obverse of Charles III should be enough for a seamless change on a sovereign. No need for anything fancy. Other coins usually commemorate wartime activities….

[westminstrel]

Never mind the Sovereign, I expect there will be an entire range of coins to commemorate the Coronation too.

It is the only big Royal event for the foreseeable future, and I can’t see it being passed up.

Which is another reason why I’d prefer they leave the Sovereign alone with its iconic and classical design. It is, after all, supposed to be “A constant through change”. 😏

[westminstrel]

Lately it’s been more like “changing constantly”. 😋

[GoldDiggerDave]

Un milled proof G&D 

Sheild back+ wreath, not the coat of arms we have just had.

A run of modern bullion with die numbers 

Branch Mint sovereigns from Canada, India, and Perth 

 

[GoldDiggerDave]

Oh and silver gold alloy instead of the brown sovereigns we have now 

[chrisdobb]

Will they now have the time to include Charlie on next years Sovereign? I hear there is no coin portrait done yet.

[GoldStatue]

It wouldn't be a surprise if Charles obverse wasn't ready in time for the 2023 sovereign release.

I know they like to do a lot of special reverses/privy pimpings and the RM can effectively change the rule book now as it has been such a long time since a monarch change but surely they won't do a commemorative special reverse for QEIIs passing.

Not likely they do a special reverse for the ascension to the throne as it will most likely be the same year as the coronation.

I can see the normal design being G&D with whatever obverse is available at time of release and then a one off special SOTD with a special reverse for one day only for the coronation.

 

 

[SidS]

I'd like to see a variant of the second George IV sovereign reverse design. The royal shield.

Identical to the George IV but with the Welsh dragon replacing the Hanoverian arms in the central shield. It'd look great. Don't get rid of the crest/garnishing around the shield or the legends, they all look right.

The 2002 sovereign reverse looked naff because the legend was omitted, made it look bland.

Edited September 20, 2022 by SidS

[pricha]

Whatever the design could you imagine having Certificate No 1 for the proof ? I don't normally take much notice of numbered Certificates but having the first for a new monarch would be something special. 

[LawrenceChard]

3 hours ago, AaaGee said:

Spitfires over the white cliffs.

Bring it up to date and remember those who fought for what we have now.

What? Brexit, covid, inflation, huge fuel and energy bills, food banks, a plunging pound, and an ineffective government?

How would we fit all those onto a coin design?

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[flyingveepixie]

Don't really mind either way tbh although it might be nice to have a special one-off as it's the first year of his reign and the first year of sovereigns with his head on.

Edited September 20, 2022 by flyingveepixie

[AaaGee]

They didn't fight for that.

This is all our generations doing.

But  yeh, itd have to be a big coin lol

[LawrenceChard]

35 minutes ago, chrisdobb said:

Will they now have the time to include Charlie on next years Sovereign? I hear there is no coin portrait done yet.

"Will they now have the time to include Charlie on next years Sovereign?"

Of course there will be time.

It has happened for every single monarch as far as I can recall, and that was before we had all the technological advances we have experienced in the past 70 years.

"I hear there is no coin portrait done yet."

Probably correct.

It sounds like you didn't read my recent post:

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[HerefordBullyun]

4 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

"I hear there is no coin portrait done yet."

Probably correct.

It sounds like you didn't read my recent post:

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Incorrect. Ive just got mine commissioned, by H.Bullyun aged 5 and three quarters

[SidS]

1 minute ago, HerefordBullyun said:

Incorrect. Ive just got mine commissioned, by H.Bullyun aged 5 and three quarters

The ears are spot on. Not sure about the trunk though! 🤣

[Petra]

1 hour ago, pricha said:

Whatever the design could you imagine having Certificate No 1 for the proof ? I don't normally take much notice of numbered Certificates but having the first for a new monarch would be something special. 

Absolutely no chance of that happening.. for any member of the public. Best hope, 

One of the first one or two hundred🤔

[Guest]

All the sovereigns I currently own are modern so I’m going to continue purchasing modern sovereigns with the queen on them I’m not really interested in having any coins with Charles on them.

[westminstrel]

3 hours ago, GoldStatue said:

It wouldn't be a surprise if Charles obverse wasn't ready in time for the 2023 sovereign release.

There is no fixed “in time” for the Sovereign release.

Releasing next year’s Sovereigns towards the end of the current year is a modern marketing strategy.

Traditionally, from my limited knowledge, Sovereigns were released in the year for the same year.

So it never happened that a Sovereign bore the effigy of a monarch in a year in which they were never alive; or rather, in the year that they never reigned.

If the Queen had died after they released the 2023 Sovereign with her effigy, that would’ve been an inevitable consequence of this marketing-based release strategy.

I suspect the RM will just delay the 2023 Sovereign release for whenever the new Charles III effigy is ready. It is guaranteed to be a sell out and doesn’t need marketing gimmicks or being released in the holiday season.

It would anyway be unprecedented, and simply too strange, to have QE II’s effigy on next year’s Sovereign.

As @LawrenceChardsaid, with modern techniques and technology, there’s no reason why they couldn’t have it ready by early 2023.

Edited September 20, 2022 by westminstrel

[LawrenceChard]

4 minutes ago, westminstrel said:

Releasing next year’s Sovereigns towards the end of the current year is a modern marketing strategy.

Traditionally, from my limited knowledge, Sovereigns were released in the year for the same year.

So it never happened that a Sovereign bore the effigy of a monarch in a year in which they were never alive.

I suspect the RM will just delay the 2023 Sovereign release for whenever the new Charles III effigy is ready. It is guaranteed to be a sell out and doesn’t need marketing gimmicks or being released in the holiday season.

It would anyway be unprecedented, and simply too strange, to have QE II’s effigy on next year’s Sovereign.

As @LawrenceChardsaid, with modern techniques and technology, there’s no reason why they couldn’t have it ready by early 2023.

That's all about right.

I'm not sure whether any recent proof sovereigns were issued late in the previous year, but this is an interesting anomaly:

https://goldsovereigns.co.uk/1830sovereignwilliamiv.html

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[westminstrel]

18 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

That's all about right.

I'm not sure whether any recent proof sovereigns were issued late in the previous year, but this is an interesting anomaly:

https://goldsovereigns.co.uk/1830sovereignwilliamiv.html

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Superb find as usual. 😎 👏🏽 

That’s an interesting anomaly - and so gorgeous too!

If nothing else, it’s proof that the RM can bring out a new effigy in a matter of months.

[Stuntman]

I love some of the suggestions on this thread, but I expect the 2023 sovereign to have the traditional St George & Dragon reverse.

[Petra]

It’s not really about how quick the RM can get any coin out, they can’t get the Charles coins out until his portrait has been done and then approved by the various people and then Charles.