Silver Tray of Gold Coins - 3 Different Colours - Can Anyone Identify All of These? + Where's Wally?

[LawrenceChard]

Silver Tray of Gold Coins - 3 Different Colours - Can Anyone Identify All of These? + Where's Wally?

I know about as much about this photo as anybody else reading this, such as why?

It surprised me that there are not 2 different colours, but 3:

Care to take the massive challenge of working out exactly what is on the tray?

I could probably offer a prize, safe in the belief that nobody will work it out, but I heard that some TSF members would do anything for money / gold, but to avoid starting World War III, I won't.

In case there is a tie, you could find "Wally", and if it's still a draw, how about having a guess at the complete hallmarks on the tray?

Easy?

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[James32]

Krugerand 

Britannia

Tudor beast lion

Sovereigns 

And some coin I'm not sure of 

I win?

Edited July 16, 2022 by James32

[Britannia47]

On the face of it  Britannias (999)  Krugerrands  (925) with  copper alloy, although the fractionals look more golden ? However, you have the wonderful RM sovereigns  - in lovely pink!  Is this a trick question? Go on tell me what I ‘ve missed…..😱

[Zhorro]

20 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Care to take the massive challenge of working out exactly what is on the tray?

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This could make a person blind!

[HerefordBullyun]

Im surprised @James32s hooverpipe isnt sucking up these coins and @stefffana nicking the tray!

[LawrenceChard]

14 minutes ago, James32 said:

Krugerand 

Britannia

Tudor beast lion

Sovereigns 

And some coin I'm not sure of 

I win?

Disqualified for mis-spelling Krugerrand!

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[James32]

Just now, LawrenceChard said:

Disqualified for mis-spelling Krugerrand!

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It's the phone honest😄

[LawrenceChard]

7 minutes ago, James32 said:

It's the phone honest😄

Not the phoney?

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[dicker]

@LawrenceChard, I will speak to my house keeper on Monday and find out what silver cleaner she uses.  Your tray looks like it could do with a buff up!

Best

Dicker

[LawrenceChard]

2 minutes ago, dicker said:

@LawrenceChard, I will speak to my house keeper on Monday and find out what silver cleaner she uses.  Your tray looks like it could do with a buff up!

Best

Dicker

If we were going to clean it, we would use Goddard's Silver Dip, but it's quite nice with natural toning on it, and any cleaning of any sort causes some slight wear or loss of silver.

Besides, we didn't have time.

You could show her the photo though, and see what she thinks.

Also check with your butler!

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[James32]

8 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Not the phoney?

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All my Krugerrands only have 2 R's 😱

[Xander]

I'll take them off your hands for a fiver. 

Send you back the duds...deal?

[dicker]

26 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

If we were going to clean it, we would use Goddard's Silver Dip, but it's quite nice with natural toning on it, and any cleaning of any sort causes some slight wear or loss of silver.

Besides, we didn't have time.

You could show her the photo though, and see what she thinks.

Also check with your butler!

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I dispensed with him after repeated failure to iron The Telegraph between reads.  

Edited July 16, 2022 by dicker

[Foster88]

I wonder why the older Krugerrand's look different to the new 2022 Krugerrand’s?

Different composition of the 22ct gold or just toning with age?

Also what does the inscription say on the tray?

[LawrenceChard]

36 minutes ago, Foster88 said:

I wonder why the older Krugerrand's look different to the new 2022 Krugerrand’s?

Different composition of the 22ct gold or just toning with age?

Also what does the inscription say on the tray?

Earlier Krugerrands contained some silver, later ones don't.

Similar with sovereigns, but with Krugers, it doesn't really matter, they were never a circulating coin. Sovereigns were circulation coins, and matters, IMO.

Inscription? Top secret!

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[Gordy]

2 hours ago, Foster88 said:

Also what does the inscription say on the tray?

Best before 30-09-2012

[SidS]

Can I have a guess?

The big bright yellowy ones are Cadburys

The washed up coppery looking ones are Nestle

The golden looking ones are gold coins.

 

Is the silver tray actually silver? Almost said Milk Tray then...

Edited July 17, 2022 by SidS

[Foster88]

5 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

Sovereigns were circulation coins, and matters, IMO.

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I agree with you and I think the main reason why RM don’t mint sovereigns with silver anyone is because they see them as ‘former’ circulating currency.

They mint them as they are (copper coloured) and they know they can because they sell.

Change will only come if people stop buying them, from their point of view, ‘why fix it if it ain’t broken’. 🤷🏻‍♂️

But you already know all of the above.

[Britannia47]

Is this a possible subliminal advertising campaign to sell a load of surplus 2022 Krugerrands at a reduced premium for those bothered to enter your quiz?!! 😇😇

 

11 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

Earlier Krugerrands contained some silver, later ones don't.

Similar with sovereigns, but with Krugers, it doesn't really matter, they were never a circulating coin. Sovereigns were circulation coins, and matters, IMO.

Inscription? Top secret!

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[LawrenceChard]

6 hours ago, Foster88 said:

I agree with you and I think the main reason why RM don’t mint sovereigns with silver anyone is because they see them as ‘former’ circulating currency.

They mint them as they are (copper coloured) and they know they can because they sell.

Change will only come if people stop buying them, from their point of view, ‘why fix it if it ain’t broken’. 🤷🏻‍♂️

But you already know all of the above.

No, actually I still don't know why the Royal Mint use red / pink gold alloyed with copper but no silver. I am not sure that anyone at the Mint knows either. I suspect that at some stage, someone at the Mint asked, what alloy are sovereigns supposed to be, and got the answer "Crown Gold" or 22ct, which of course is not a completely alloy specification. They then looked looked "Crown Gold" on Wikipedia, and found the wrong answer. Certainly, whoever took the "decision" did not know what they wwere doing, and failed to check what they had actually always been made of. Nobody said "Ugh, that's awful", because nobody else knew either. If you were in charge of production at the Royal Mint, you wouldn't phone a Blackpool coin dealer to ask, would you? Because if you did, you would probably feel very stupid having to ask. So you don't ask. And nothing changes.

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[LawrenceChard]

8 minutes ago, Britannia47 said:

Is this a possible subliminal advertising campaign to sell a load of surplus 2022 Krugerrands at a reduced premium for those bothered to enter your quiz?!! 😇😇
 

How did you manage to get the "Quote" and the new message the opposite way round?

You flatter me with the idea that I could think so creatively.

No, in fact, we have to keep "re-ordering" new Krugerrands. 

I don't know why when there are plenty of old Krugers around at low premiums, but people ask for for 2022s, so we buy a few, they sell, so we buy some more. Britannias look nicer, are cheaper, 3.9% instead of 5.0% for singles; we have better quantity price breaks for them, 3.0% for 200+ compared with 4.7% for 10+.

They are not the best investment, they don't look very attractive, so I doubt that people buy them for their aesthetics; I doubt that many people "collect" Krugers as numismatic items, so I still don't understand why people buy them.

In the UK, they are not CGT efficient, whereas gold Britannias and sovereigns are. The last time we bought them direct from Rand Refineries, it was not really worthwhile. To get the best premiums, it is necessary to buy 5,000 or 10,000 at a time, which would be dumb for us to do when we have easier access to better coins and deals. Also the shipping was dumb because Rand Refineries couldn't or wouldn't ship via Manchester Airport, so sent them via Gatwick instead. Their shipping agent couldn't or wouldn't forward them by carrier to Blackpool, so some idiot had to do a 500 mile round trip, with an overnight stay, find a parking meter at the wrong end of Hatton Garden in London at £1 per 4 minutes, run along the length of Hatton Garden, have to go through front desk security before I could even get into the building, then wait what seemed ages to collect them, followed by running back along Hatton Garden with a 19 kilo rucksack, hoping my car had not been towed away or issued an excess penalty.

Once was enough!

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[LemmyMcGregor]

11 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

They are not the best investment, they don't look very attractive, so I doubt that people buy them for their aesthetics; I doubt that many people "collect" Krugers as numismatic items, so I still don't understand why people buy them.

Lethal Weapon 2

[LawrenceChard]

10 minutes ago, LemmyMcGregor said:

Lethal Weapon 2

The title sounded vaguely familiar, but I had to look it up (on Wikipedia).

I think they (2022 Krugerrands) are more Pesky than Pesci.

At least our dealings with them are a lot less exciting than in the film!

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[SidS]

If they want the true definition of 'crown gold' then to my mind they need to acquire some Henry VIII 1526 gold issues and analyse those, as they were the first issues struck in this alloy and thus the originals.

Which then opens up the debate of whether the 1817 sovereigns were issued in the same alloy or not. It could be true that the mint is using the correct crown gold alloy as per its original definition from the Tudor era, and yet failing to get the correct sovereign colour because the 1817s were issued in something different all along.

To my mind though, from the Tudor gold coins I've seen, I think they, like the 1817 sovereigns, contain silver.

[LemmyMcGregor]

Please, don't give them weird ideas. First they add silver and then we're paying VAT on sovereigns.