Austrian Gold 4 Ducat Coin - Anyone Want to Guess the Date?

[SidS]

1865

[Norskgeld]

1896?

[LawrenceChard]

On 09/05/2022 at 22:04, LawrenceChard said:

Austrian Gold 4 Ducat Coin - Anyone Want to Guess the Date?

No prizes, just for the kudos!

 

 

On 09/05/2022 at 22:18, Norskgeld said:

1915?

 

On 10/05/2022 at 00:20, StackemHigh said:

1856

 

On 10/05/2022 at 01:51, LemmyMcGregor said:

1867, and a beer would be the least 🤣

 

On 10/05/2022 at 21:46, dikefalos said:

Date error 1951?

 

On 11/05/2022 at 07:01, Bixley said:

1591?

 

On 11/05/2022 at 08:34, Petra said:

Some time between 1920 and 1936 but dated 1915

 

On 12/05/2022 at 02:52, ryanp007 said:

1892

 

On 12/05/2022 at 08:45, SidS said:

1861

Things seem to have gone quiet on this, so...

Time to reveal...

Reverse of pierced 1879 Austrian 4 Ducats

I thought it worthwhile doing an XRF test:

From which we can say the gold content is approximately 99%.

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[Petra]

29 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Things seem to have gone quiet on this, so...

Time to reveal...

Reverse of pierced 1879 Austrian 4 Ducats

I thought it worthwhile doing an XRF test:

From which we can say the gold content is approximately 99%.

😎

Whatever age, it is a nice looking coin. About how much would a hole in it like that devalue it by?

[LawrenceChard]

44 minutes ago, Petra said:

Whatever age, it is a nice looking coin. About how much would a hole in it like that devalue it by?

It's difficult to know exactly.

While I like to see original mintage coins of restrike issues, I don't feel there is a strong market for them, which is regrettable in many ways.

It possibly devalues it to a price similar to a 1915 restrike.

I suspect some people would prefer a "perfect" 1915, rather than a holey 1879 or other original date.

Similarly, I don't know enough about original Maria Theresa thalers. for many years I thought all the 1780 dated ones were restrikes, but some are not.

There was at least one "paper" published about them, followed by an excellent book A Silver Legend: The Story of the Maria Theresa Thaler.

 

[SidS]

The genuine 1780 thalers are quite expensive iirc.

[dicker]

1872?

[dicker]

Sorry for being late to the party!

[CollectForFun]

8 hours ago, Petra said:

Whatever age, it is a nice looking coin. About how much would a hole in it like that devalue it by?

Unfortunately, a holed specimen loses almost all its numismatic value. On the other hand, there seems to be more holed, repaired, ex-mounted or otherwise damaged 4 ducats (original strikes) on the market than pristine ones, so sometimes collectors have no other choice but accept a coin like this in their collection, at least until a better specimen appears on the market.

[CollectForFun]

8 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

 

From which we can say the gold content is approximately 99%.

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Well, considering that it should be just .986, the results are less precise than I would expect...

7 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

It's difficult to know exactly

While I like to see original mintage coins of restrike issues, I don't feel there is a strong market for them, which is regrettable in many ways.

It possibly devalues it to a price similar to a 1915 restrike.

I suspect some people would prefer a "perfect" 1915, rather than a holey 1879 or other original date.

You mean you don't see strong market for original strikes? Or just those that are holed? In my numismatic circles, original strikes are always welcome - although, preferably not holed. By the way, is this one for sale?

[ryanp007]

7 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

It's difficult to know exactly.

While I like to see original mintage coins of restrike issues, I don't feel there is a strong market for them, which is regrettable in many ways.

It possibly devalues it to a price similar to a 1915 restrike.

I suspect some people would prefer a "perfect" 1915, rather than a holey 1879 or other original date.

Similarly, I don't know enough about original Maria Theresa thalers. for many years I thought all the 1780 dated ones were restrikes, but some are not.

There was at least one "paper" published about them, followed by an excellent book A Silver Legend: The Story of the Maria Theresa Thaler.

 

I will start the bidding at one soccer ball 😁

[CollectForFun]

7 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

Similarly, I don't know enough about original Maria Theresa thalers. for many years I thought all the 1780 dated ones were restrikes, but some are not.

There was at least one "paper" published about them, followed by an excellent book A Silver Legend: The Story of the Maria Theresa Thaler.

Strangely enough, it is more or less true that all 1780 MT talers are restrikes, i.e. minted later than in 1780, which was the year of MT's death. However, some restrikes are much earlier than others, as the coin has been produced almost without interruption since then until today. Those first restrikes are often referred to as original strikes, which is not completely correct. I guess, the right term should be something like "original restrike"...

[Norskgeld]

1879? ☺️

[LawrenceChard]

37 minutes ago, Norskgeld said:

1879? ☺️

I don't know how you worked that out!

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[LawrenceChard]

49 minutes ago, CollectForFun said:

Strangely enough, it is more or less true that all 1780 MT talers are restrikes, i.e. minted later than in 1780, which was the year of MT's death. However, some restrikes are much earlier than others, as the coin has been produced almost without interruption since then until today. Those first restrikes are often referred to as original strikes, which is not completely correct. I guess, the right term should be something like "original restrike"...

"Original restrike" must be an oxymoron!

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49 minutes ago, ryanp007 said:

I will start the bidding at one soccer ball 😁

We were expecting a load more...!

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Edited May 29, 2022 by LawrenceChard

[LawrenceChard]

1 hour ago, CollectForFun said:

Well, considering that it should be just .986, the results are less precise than I would expect...

You mean you don't see strong market for original strikes? Or just those that are holed? In my numismatic circles, original strikes are always welcome - although, preferably not holed. By the way, is this one for sale?

I had forgotten they were .986, until I looked them up later, but .989 and 991 are close enough results. It is quite possible that they we made with a positive tolerance, by which I mean more thatn the specified content.

We don't see many original Austrian 4 ducats, so are not fully aware of the market, but they are probably in greater demand in Austria and thereabouts.

(Almost) everything is for sale, but I don't think this coin has yet made it onto the website. We do have a large number of interesting coins which are quietly awating cataloguing.

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4 hours ago, dicker said:

Sorry for being late to the party!

As Boris probably said!

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[LawrenceChard]

8 hours ago, SidS said:

The genuine 1780 thalers are quite expensive iirc.

The original ones are.

Don't forget, the restrikes are also genuine.

I am aware that many ebay sellers describe fakes rather euphemistically as restrikes, but they are wrong.

[ryanp007]

1 hour ago, LawrenceChard said:

The original ones are.

Don't forget, the restrikes are also genuine.

I am aware that many ebay sellers describe fakes rather euphemistically as restrikes, but they are wrong.

Lmfao. So true. Just because some guy made it in his basement out of brass doesnt qualify it as a restrike 😂