Help needed - Fake Kushan Coin?

[UKcoinGuy]

Hi Everybody,

I might have made a wrong bid on a coin.  The coin is supposed to be a circa 300AD Kushan gold coin.  It is 1.6mm in diameter and weighs 2.8 grams and 22ct gold. (no thickness given) I don't have any side pictures.  Doing some research, I think the ruler is King Havishka. (AD 12 -190).  

From Wikipedia :

"In the coinage of the North Indian and Central Asian Kushan Empire (approximately 30–375 CE) the main coins issued were gold, weighing 7.9 grams, and base metal issues of various weights between 12 g and 1.5 g. Little silver coinage was issued, but in later periods the gold used was debased with silver."

So I'm thinking the coin is fake as the gold coins  are larger at circa 7.8 grams?

Can anybody help?  Any thoughts / views will be helpful.

Thanks

Barry

[MCJ]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154726898279?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&itemid=154726898279&targetid=&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=1006674&poi=&campaignid=16789290710&mkgroupid=&rlsatarget=&abcId=9300845&merchantid=6995734&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzuToq4C-9wIVjdnVCh3W_AdiEAQYAiABEgKvjfD_BwE

Same as yours?

Edited May 1, 2022 by MCJ

[UKcoinGuy]

Hi Thanks for sending link, I had seen this ad.  This is another coin for sale.  The certificate of authenticity looks questionable also.  The QR code takes you to WECHAT.

[UKcoinGuy]

Also another coin for sale:https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154761889479?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&itemid=154761889479&targetid=&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9045025&poi=&campaignid=16789290710&mkgroupid=&rlsatarget=&abcId=9300845&merchantid=6995734&gclid=Cj0KCQjw37iTBhCWARIsACBt1IzD4IFtooBHLJ7RiSCU7Q95FkMGrdo0QU8rdXXrIwv4y_uIdlmuHn4aAutNEALw_wcB

[dicker]

This is a specialist field and genuine Kushan coins are rare and highly desirable (expensive).

What I do know is that these have been counterfeited (see the below for examples, but I have seen other articles around the counterfeiting of these coins).

I don’t collect this sort of coin but if I did I would only buy from a highly respected specialist.

https://people.bu.edu/ptandon/Denomination forgeries.pdf

[UKcoinGuy]

3 minutes ago, dicker said:

This is a specialist field and genuine Kushan coins are rare and highly desirable (expensive).

What I do know is that these have been counterfeited (see the below for examples, but I have seen other articles around the counterfeiting of these coins).

I don’t collect this sort of coin but if I did I would only buy from a highly respected specialist.

https://people.bu.edu/ptandon/Denomination forgeries.pdf

Thanks for sending through.. Very interesting read.  It helps with the coin sizes, as the Kushan coins used the same roman sizes of dinars.  This makes me again think the coin is fake as it would not fit any dinar or fractional dinar size?

[James32]

Maybe @Leonmarsh or @DuncanWylieWilson can shed light

[Leonmarsh]

To. My knowledge kushan coins coins come in various sizes 1/4, 1/2 and full dinar  bit like byzantine 

You can get tremissis, semissis and full byzantine size coins 

If you googlee kushan gold coins numista it will give you a full list for reference 

I will pm you link if I can 

 

 

 

[Seasider]

Is it just me or does it look like it was gold plated and some of the gold plate has worn off especially around standing figure on the left hand side?

[James32]

1 minute ago, Seasider said:

Is it just me or does it look like it was gold plated and some of the gold plate has worn off especially around standing figure on the left hand side?

The thought crossed my mind too

[Leonmarsh]

More than likely be a debased coin mixed with silver 

Been harshly cleaned too 

[UKcoinGuy]

Thanks for all your advice guys.  I have managed to cancelled the purchase.  Would never have been sure about the coin and would not have wanted it in my collection.  I will be more careful in future!