Royal Mint - Great Engravers 2021 - Gothic Crown information

[NewCoins]

Anyone had a call from the mint yet ?

I have been sitting here strumming my fingers since last night.

[magpie79]

4 hours ago, dikefalos said:

 

Hi must be getting sentimental in my old age 

because that is truly a thing of beauty 

[dikefalos]

15 minutes ago, magpie79 said:

Hi must be getting sentimental in my old age 

because that is truly a thing of beauty 

Blame @GoldDiggerDave for showing this today again. Pictures like this makes me dislike my own collection. 

[westminstrel]

The older engravers really were astounding in how they approached design.

I feel the current Royal Mint designers play it very safe and seem to shy away from complex designs - except for Jody Clark (who’s QB designs were quite detailed and felt like modern classics) and John Bergdahl (whose designs have become more intricate with age and experience, and they hark back to the 19th century coinage designs).

Timothy Noad’s designs feel very safe too. His 2002, 2005, and 2022 Sovereign designs seem “to the book” and too “literal”. IMO.

I mean, look at the detail and the textured engravings in the shield, the lion, the unicorn, the plumes… and this was done in the 19th century when minting technology wasn’t as advanced as it is today.

I really wish for bolder designers who can elevate new coinage designs.

[AppleZippoandMetronome]

15 minutes ago, westminstrel said:

The older engravers really were astounding in how they approached design.

I feel the current Royal Mint designers play it very safe and seem to shy away from complex designs - except for Jody Clark (who’s QB designs were quite detailed and felt like modern classics) and John Bergdahl (whose designs have become more intricate with age and experience, and they hark back to the 19th century coinage designs).

Timothy Noad’s designs feel very safe too. His 2002, 2005, and 2022 Sovereign designs seem “to the book” and too “literal”. IMO.

I mean, look at the detail and the textured engravings in the shield, the lion, the unicorn, the plumes… and this was done in the 19th century when minting technology wasn’t as advanced as it is today.

I really wish for bolder designers who can elevate new coinage designs.

That is stunning!

Edited January 27, 2022 by AppleZippoandMetronome

[dikefalos]

30 minutes ago, westminstrel said:

The older engravers really were astounding in how they approached design.

I feel the current Royal Mint designers play it very safe and seem to shy away from complex designs - except for Jody Clark (who’s QB designs were quite detailed and felt like modern classics) and John Bergdahl (whose designs have become more intricate with age and experience, and they hark back to the 19th century coinage designs).

Timothy Noad’s designs feel very safe too. His 2002, 2005, and 2022 Sovereign designs seem “to the book” and too “literal”. IMO.

I mean, look at the detail and the textured engravings in the shield, the lion, the unicorn, the plumes… and this was done in the 19th century when minting technology wasn’t as advanced as it is today.

I really wish for bolder designers who can elevate new coinage designs.

What a beauty. No clue if this one thousand, or one million worth, just incredible beautiful. Do you think, people in 200 years will look at a Gibraltar Monkey, or a Barbadian Flamingo coin with feelings like this? 

[Paul]

4 hours ago, dikefalos said:

If i would be the mint, i just had to decide for one, of two ways. Increase the mintage, or get first in contact with your customers, that are buying for years. The continuity option for this set and the Tudors are great for buyers, also the new ones. Of course a higher mintage would lower the secondary market. As the mint, i wouldn't care about it a lot. It's enough if they hold their value, better something more. If it is 50, or 500% is almost meaningless for the mint. For one coin, like Una, is great, will increase the interest for RM coins. But if it goes like this with almost every coin, almost every week, couldn't be good and we could see soon a secondary market for RM proofs, like a couple of years ago. 

Somebody linked this video here in the forum, which should open up a lot of collectors eyes, even it is mainly about the videogame market. Same people are involved, like in coin grading and auctioning. Wasn't this Una hype starting with a auction result at Heritage? If you ain't want, or have the time, to watch the whole video, go around minute 38. The fraud with graded coins in the early days of grading. If you watch the whole Video, you see, which people are involved until today.

I don't say, everything is a fraud, but we should be aware of what and for what kind of money we are buying. 

this was a very interesting video to watch, and very eye opening and easily relatedable to the coin market

Heritage are certainly one of the auction houses bringing home the best prices at this time  

[Kookaburracollector]

One swallow doesn’t make a summer, but a bit of information on the price difference between the elusive 70 grade, and a 69! HUGE!

I guess after auction and grading fees, the seller would have received about £465 net! ball park!

[MancunianStacker]

2 hours ago, Kookaburracollector said:

One swallow doesn’t make a summer, but a bit of information on the price difference between the elusive 70 grade, and a 69! HUGE!

I guess after auction and grading fees, the seller would have received about £465 net! ball park!

Maybe because heritage marked it as MS 69 in the a grade description. I’d be a furious vendor if it was my coin 😱 

[AndrewSL76]

1 hour ago, MancunianStacker said:

Maybe because heritage marked it as MS 69 in the a grade description. I’d be a furious vendor if it was my coin 😱 

Yep. They are consistently getting it wrong. Whether PR instead of PF and MS when clearly proof etc. 

We all have our off and odd days with listings on the forum but we all aren’t running a massive auction house…

[AndrewSL76]

1 hour ago, MancunianStacker said:

Maybe because heritage marked it as MS 69 in the a grade description. I’d be a furious vendor if it was my coin 😱 

Yep. They are consistently getting it wrong. Whether PR instead of PF and MS when clearly proof etc. 

We all have our off and odd days with listings on the forum but we all aren’t running a massive auction house…

Another double post. The irony given the comment, too.

[Thomast]

My plain edge is due for delivery today, anyone else’s getting theirs 

[Paul]

Well it was worth the extra wait   

2oz gold Gothic Crown 'plain edge' in hand, available to RM Mint Marque members

Mintage 125 in this presentation (total 131)  

it will be meeting Una, The Lion & Grace, Grace and Grace for a party at the safe deposit box this afternoon 

[westminstrel]

Oh wow looks gorgeous!!! 🤩 

Does the box indicate at all that it is a plain edge?

I’d have thought they’d use different packaging to easily distinguish it from the milled edge.

[Paul]

2 minutes ago, westminstrel said:

Oh wow looks gorgeous!!! 🤩 

Does the box indicate at all that it is a plain edge?

I’d have thought they’d use different packaging to easily distinguish it from the milled edge.

the box just looks the standard issue now ive compared to current feebay listings

it is just the COA/insert that shows the edge type: plain edge and the mintage numbers for 125 in this presentation, 131 total mintage

and taking a look at the coin you can obviously see the edge is plain through the clear capsule

 

[westminstrel]

Thanks @Paul!  It’s a beauty and I’m glad it’s gone to a person who will obviously cherish it for a time.

[AndrewSL76]

2 minutes ago, Paul said:

the box just looks the standard issue now ive compared to current feebay listings

it is just the COA/insert that shows the edge type: plain edge and the mintage numbers for 125 in this presentation, 131 total mintage

and taking a look at the coin you can obviously see the edge is plain through the clear capsule

 

Excuse the language, but on occasion I think we can turn a blind eye. This is ******* ********* ******** ******* ****** ******************** **** ******* ********* beautiful. 

[Paul]

Just now, westminstrel said:

Thanks @Paul!  It’s a beauty and I’m glad it’s gone to a person who will obviously cherish it for a time.

im just doing me ebay listing now lol

[AndrewSL76]

2 minutes ago, Paul said:

im just doing me ebay listing now lol

Flippin' 'eck @Paul

[GoldDiggerDave]

@Paul nice mate the 2nd portrait will be here soon, hope it’s  not another month wait for that.   Can’t wait to get hands on my 5oz gold portrait.  
 

feel sorry for those who have bought on the secondary market, can see some unscrupulous people hiking up the price on the 2nd coin, definitely some eBay shenanigans incoming. 

[Paul]

1 minute ago, AndrewSL76 said:

Excuse the language, but on occasion I think we can turn a blind eye. This is ******* ********* ******** ******* ****** ******************** **** ******* ********* beautiful. 

It funny you mention a comment like that, but receiving this coin, in the past hour has made me rack my memories back through this stacking journey of mine the past decade and what i've done, places i've visited, people i've met, sacrifices i've made, savings i've done, money i've not gambled, wealth i've accumulated, created the pension pot i never had, hard physical work i've done to turn into a lovely visual physical piece art/value in my hand. 

Knowing i hold a future classic & always in demand piece, makes me a little proud i've done good   

[westminstrel]

5 minutes ago, Paul said:

im just doing me ebay listing now lol

Liar liar pants on fire. You said it’s going to the safe party with Una, Aglaia, Thalia, and Euphrosyne. ☺️

[Paul]

51 minutes ago, westminstrel said:

Liar liar pants on fire. You said it’s going to the safe party with Una, Aglaia, Thalia, and Euphrosyne. ☺️

noooooooooooo - its going nowhere near that den of iniquity - feebay

I will happily watch how this does from the side lines for the next few year and enjoy the journey and share it here with others  

Edited January 28, 2022 by Paul

[SilverMike]

Yes, they are very beautiful. Look forward to the next coin in the series. I hope the wait isn't too long this time 🙂

Edited January 28, 2022 by SilverMike

[AndrewSL76]

13 minutes ago, Paul said:

It funny you mention a comment like that, but receiving this coin, in the past hour has made me rack my memories back through this stacking journey of mine the past decade and what i've done, places i've visited, people i've met, sacrifices i've made, savings i've done, money i've not gambled, wealth i've accumulated, created the pension pot i never had, hard physical work i've done to turn into a lovely visual physical piece art/value in my hand. 

Knowing i hold a future classic & always in demand piece, makes me a little proud i've done good   

Inspirational.