New Gold Coin and Bar Testers

[EON]

Thank you for your opinions Chards, sorry to have bored you.

[Roy]

8 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

I hope I have not alienated @EON by stating my opinions. I have done so free of charge, a managememt consultant would have charged at least £1000, and taken 6 weeks.

That's unnecessarily harsh @LawrenceChard, We should encourage entrepreneurs.

The member has been upfront and engaging where promoting his product and as enthusiasts/adults, we are capable of making our own decisions whether it's viable or not.

 

[HerefordBullyun]

4 hours ago, Roy said:

That's unnecessarily harsh @LawrenceChard, We should encourage entrepreneurs.

The member has been upfront and engaging where promoting his product and as enthusiasts/adults, we are capable of making our own decisions whether it's viable or not.

 

I agree Roy! So if you or any other forum member take me out for a nice free slap up meal followed by a few pints my expert opinion will be given, my rates are really cheap! 

[EON]

Thanks for you support,  I have already learnt alot from the feedback here. I want to clarify one or two things, should the physics be brought into question.

The video is only a temporary delivery vehicle, that I made myself and I am admittedly not an expert.

And eddy current and an electromotive force are not the same thing, the correct way of saying this is the following.

The moving magnet induces an eddy current in the bullion, the presence of the conductive body then creates and Electromotive force (or dampening force) on the pendulum.

If two coins have the same composition weight and dimensions then they will give the same reading.

So there is no doubt as to the physics I am going to upload a paper, this paper describes a conductor moving through a magnetic field, in my case the magnet is moving, and the conductor remains stationary, but the physics is the same. Apologies in advance if this gives anyone nightmares!!.

And thanks to the Authors :

Catherine Weigel, Jeremy Wachter, Paul Wagoner, and Timothy J. Atherton

 

 

Paper on the Eddy current Pendulum.pdf

[Coverte]

I like the look and it would make a stunning piece in a study and/or similar; I would buy one for that dual purpose.

I think all other aspects have been covered quite comprehensively.

However, unfortunately your PCT global Patent will not prevent Chinese copies, the test product is testimony to that (sorry, this is not meant to sound negative.)

My suggestion however, to counter that, would be design patent/s; as even the mighty Apple found out when SBB (Swiss Railways) took them to court for stealing the design of its clock for iOS 6's Clock app. (2012 court proceedings refer)

Even Apple caved in finally and agreed to pay a licence fee for continued - a design patent is very much cheaper in court fees also, plus you stand a much greater chance of winning, relatively cheaply. 

[LawrenceChard]

7 hours ago, Roy said:

That's unnecessarily harsh @LawrenceChard, We should encourage entrepreneurs.

The member has been upfront and engaging where promoting his product and as enthusiasts/adults, we are capable of making our own decisions whether it's viable or not.

 

Yes, I agree it is probably not Eon wanted to hear, but it is my usual honest and reasonably thorough analysis and conclusion. I did only comment because I was invited to, although not by Eon.

I could have made it sound kinder, perhaps "I really loved your videos, but was hoping for a few more facts and snippets on information...", but it would not have been honest. Sure, Eon might have preferred it, because we all like to hear what we want to hear.

Actually, in the last year, someone asked me, in an e-mail, to let them have feedback (this was private, not public). I thought about it, and decided against. The person would not have liked the feedback, and I doubt would have changed anything. I saved myself a good half hour of my time.

If someone asks on a public forum for feedback and reactions, one should be prepared for, and actually want to hear, any negatives. Otherwise there is no point asking, unless it is just a sneaky way of getting some free publicity.

I could have omitted my comments about "ct's", but what I said actually happened; I spent time wondering what ct's meant, and if Eon had taken the time to spell the word in full, using 6 character instead of 4, I would have understood perfectly and instantaneously. Forcing your readers to try to work out what you are saying is lazy and arrogant. I am aware that most people nowadays don't know how and when to use apostrophes, but if you are going to write commercially, then at least try to make an effort to learn.

I note that Eon has not bothered to correct his original "The device will give a very different reading across ct's regardless of whether they are silver or gold. This is because different ct's of gold and silver have very different conductivity readings.", despite the helpful grammar and readability advice I provided free of charge. 

I did get a response, which you have probably seen saying "Thank you for your opinions Chards, sorry to have bored you.". This surprised me, and I thought "Is that all?", but I see that Eon has gone on to give some facts and explanations later, so my comments were possibly not entirely wasted.

I still don't know where XRF testers are available for only $5,000 though.

I also agree about encouraging entrepreneurs. I am particularly keen and hopeful that a wider range of precious metal testing methods and equipment should become available, and at affordable prices.

🙂

 

[LawrenceChard]

4 hours ago, HerefordBullyun said:

I agree Roy! So if you or any other forum member take me out for a nice free slap up meal followed by a few pints my expert opinion will be given, my rates are really cheap! 

How many beers does it take until your opinions becomes expert?

Is there a maximum, mimimum, or optimum?

😎

[Gordy]

Just now, LawrenceChard said:

How many beers does it take until your opinions becomes expert?

Is there a maximum, mimimum, or optimum?

😎

i'd say optimum...... the level at which you can function higher as a direct response to the alcohol level in your system, however there is a very fine line which can be crossed by an extra 100ml of 4.7% premium north eastern (not brewed in Newcastle anymore) ale...

[LawrenceChard]

1 minute ago, Gordy said:

i'd say optimum...... the level at which you can function higher as a direct response to the alcohol level in your system, however there is a very fine line which can be crossed by an extra 100ml of 4.7% premium north eastern (not brewed in Newcastle anymore) ale...

Thanks for that input.

At what point do you think coherency becomes an important factor?

[arcticfox]

28 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Yes, I agree it is probably not Eon wanted to hear, but it is my usual honest and reasonably thorough analysis and conclusion. I did only comment because I was invited to, although not by Eon.

I could have made it sound kinder, perhaps "I really loved your videos, but was hoping for a few more facts and snippets on information...", but it would not have been honest. Sure, Eon might have preferred it, because we all like to hear what we want to hear.

Actually, in the last year, someone asked me, in an e-mail, to let them have feedback (this was private, not public). I thought about it, and decided against. The person would not have liked the feedback, and I doubt would have changed anything. I saved myself a good half hour of my time.

If someone asks on a public forum for feedback and reactions, one should be prepared for, and actually want to hear, any negatives. Otherwise there is no point asking, unless it is just a sneaky way of getting some free publicity.

I could have omitted my comments about "ct's", but what I said actually happened; I spent time wondering what ct's meant, and if Eon had taken the time to spell the word in full, using 6 character instead of 4, I would have understood perfectly and instantaneously. Forcing your readers to try to work out what you are saying is lazy and arrogant. I am aware that most people nowadays don't know how and when to use apostrophes, but if you are going to write commercially, then at least try to make an effort to learn.

I note that Eon has not bothered to correct his original "The device will give a very different reading across ct's regardless of whether they are silver or gold. This is because different ct's of gold and silver have very different conductivity readings.", despite the helpful grammar and readability advice I provided free of charge. 

I did get a response, which you have probably seen saying "Thank you for your opinions Chards, sorry to have bored you.". This surprised me, and I thought "Is that all?", but I see that Eon has gone on to give some facts and explanations later, so my comments were possibly not entirely wasted.

I still don't know where XRF testers are available for only $5,000 though.

I also agree about encouraging entrepreneurs. I am particularly keen and hopeful that a wider range of precious metal testing methods and equipment should become available, and at affordable prices.

🙂

 

I don't think he's bothered about info/comments/input but when I was reading your reply it just sounded like you was being arsy.

Obv text speak is not normal speak and I'm sure you to sitting at a table with a nice IPA/whiskey you could have a very good involving chat.

 

[HerefordBullyun]

37 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

How many beers does it take until your opinions becomes expert?

Is there a maximum, mimimum, or optimum?

😎

5 or 6 pints after some nice fish n chips in blackpool - hows does that sound if I come up to blackpool? 

🐮

[LawrenceChard]

39 minutes ago, arcticfox said:

I don't think he's bothered about info/comments/input but when I was reading your reply it just sounded like you was being arsy.

Obv text speak is not normal speak and I'm sure you to sitting at a table with a nice IPA/whiskey you could have a very good involving chat.

 

If your thought I sounded arsy, you should hear what I think about people, especially competitors who use our photos, and sometimes my text, without permission, and in breach of copyright!

It is on the borderline of being rude and offensive.😎

[arcticfox]

Just now, LawrenceChard said:

If your thought I sounded arsy, you should hear what I think about people, especially competitors who use our photos, and sometimes my text, without permission, and in breach of copyright!

It is on the borderline of being rude and offensive.😎

Hahahahah please don't start on me I'm delicate today hahhahahah.

I hope you sue for that type of c**p.

[Gordy]

1 hour ago, LawrenceChard said:

Thanks for that input.

At what point do you think coherency becomes an important factor?

When you know what you are saying in your head but your mouth says something totally opposite! 😂

[LawrenceChard]

1 hour ago, arcticfox said:

Hahahahah please don't start on me I'm delicate today hahhahahah.

I hope you sue for that type of c**p.

Sue?: yes, but there have been too many. 

With ebay, and some other sites,we used to issue a NOCI (Notice of Copyright Infringement), but ebay were and still are very slow to act against PowerSellers and similar.

With many, we just gave / give them a free advert, usually here: https://www.goldcopyright.co.uk/a-z-list/.

We have also successfully taken legal action against a number of dealers, including some surprising names.

We concluded a case earlier this year against a high profile name with offices in London and Dublin.

[HerefordBullyun]

4 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Sue?:

Yes she was a lovely girl shame her tattoos werent spelt right.

[EON]

Thank you for that advise Coverte, that is helpful!

[sovereignsteve]

On 18/09/2021 at 16:18, EON said:

Yes, that right, they are both 2008 American gold eagles, as featured in the video

i bough the fake at that link on Alibaba, it is that coin

Are you aware if that seller also manufactures and sells tungsten-based sovereigns?

It is reassuring that they don't seem to be able to get the composition of the gold plating correct enough to fool a good XRF analyser.

[paulmerton]

4 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

I could have omitted my comments about "ct's", but what I said actually happened; I spent time wondering what ct's meant, and if Eon had taken the time to spell the word in full, using 6 character instead of 4, I would have understood perfectly and instantaneously. Forcing your readers to try to work out what you are saying is lazy and arrogant. I am aware that most people nowadays don't know how and when to use apostrophes, but if you are going to write commercially, then at least try to make an effort to learn.

I had a similar (albeit brief) moment wondering what "currency opr" was when I read https://www.chards.co.uk/info/payment-ID

 

Edited September 19, 2021 by paulmerton
In an ironic twist, I missed an entire word out.

[sovereignsteve]

4 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

I did only comment because I was invited to, although not by Eon.

That would be myself although I asked specifically about whether you would know if a XRF analyser would be likely to detect the tungsten-based plated fake gold coin being sold on Alibaba. I asked because I know your company possesses such an analyser. I did not know that the OP had already tested the fake.

4 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

Actually, in the last year, someone asked me, in an e-mail, to let them have feedback (this was private, not public). I thought about it, and decided against. The person would not have liked the feedback, and I doubt would have changed anything. I saved myself a good half hour of my time.

Did you reply to the email to inform the sender of this?

[LawrenceChard]

4 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

I had a similar (albeit brief) moment wondering what currency "opr" was I read https://www.chards.co.uk/info/payment-ID

 

I suspect it means none of these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPR

Although if I tag @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer into this conversation, someone might work it out.

Wikipedia also suggests: Operator (disambiguation), so perhaps it stands for OPerator erroR.

Lets see how long it takes to get fixed!

[LawrenceChard]

4 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

That would be myself although I asked specifically about whether you would know if a XRF analyser would be likely to detect the tungsten-based plated fake gold coin being sold on Alibaba. I asked because I know your company possesses such an analyser. I did not know that the OP had already tested the fake.

Did you reply to the email to inform the sender of this?

No, I suspect I would have been wasting my time, and that it would have been resented.

I don't like being discourteous and not replying, but I have learnt to do it sometimes, especially with:

Spam phone callers, where I have stopped any attempt at being polite.

 

[EON]

Hi Sovereignsteve,

As far as I am aware the company focuses on the American eagle, the buffalo, the Libertad for the moment, I am sure there are other companies doing this, that I have not found. The sovereign has a similar composition to a krugerrand 22 carats with 8.33% copper, the eagle is also 22 carats but has some silver in the mix. As far as I am aware there would be nothing preventing doing a sovereign fake, except that there is a fairly significant plating cost in plating a coin with 60 microns of gold, that may be less viable for a coin that costs less than a Troy ounce, this is pure speculation on my part though.

if anyone has come across a better fake, that passes the dimension, weight, look and feel test, I would be interested in testing it, and I will post the results.

Thanks for the question

 

[Coverte]

20 hours ago, EON said:

Thank you for that advise Coverte, that is helpful!

Your welcome, if/when you may discover a copier in China, it has been achieved (with a lot of work) for containers/pallets to be examined and even confiscated by customs using that.

May I assume you have added me to your 'potential' list.

[EON]

Hi Coverte.

  Yes, you are are added to the list, The first batch of the featured product will have a limited order,  as many of the parts etc will be hand made, I think a nice feature might be to have these first items engraved? let me know what you think of this idea. I will make sure to contact you to ensure you have the priority option of joining this limited order. I will also contact you directly with news, pricing etc, as we progress. I am already working on another render of the tester in a glass or perspex case, that will cover the top of the tester this is based of the feedback I have received here.

Thanks Again,

Rory