Guess the grade

[SVcollector]

A coin i bought recently

1863 Victoria gold sovereign shield no die

 

can you guess the grade?

[daca]

3 hours ago, SVcollector said:

can you guess the grade?

MS 64 or 65

[Wampum]

I would say that it's a MS63,probably lost a + or so with the little mark. Reverse looks better in the photograph.

[Robda1986]

Instant thought was a 62

[Tattoedamat]

Send it to me on a one-way journey I will let you know 😂👍

[Frenchie]

MS 65 or  MS66

[GoldStatue]

*** NOT ENCAPSULATED *** NOT GENUINE maybe? 😀

[CoinStruck]

This looks like a high grade coin, say MS65. 

Does the closet guess get the coin?

[sovereignsteve]

The reverse is lovely but the obverse has some wear. On this basis I would put it at MS63+

However it looks to have some nice lustre which the graders like so it might be upped a little on this basis.

PCGS would probably grade it higher than NGC.

[Seasider]

The 6 in the date looks a bit dodgy.

But presumably it has been graded?

[shawy2510]

MS63/MS64 maybe. The hair is quite worn & a few small dinks. I am thinking more the 63.

Go on what is it

[Arganto]

I deliberately didn't post initially as I'm not confident in my grading knowledge. Now some heavy hitters have answered it's nice to see my MS63 guess is mirrored 🤣

Is it some kind of trick question though...? 🤔

[Stuntman]

MS62 or MS63 is what I would go for.  MS63 if pushed.

[Brian01]

Given the slightest friction on the highest points I would think it’s AU-55 to AU-58 ... nice coin.

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[Brian01]

I would add that there is a die break running through the 6 of 1863 

[Arganto]

Is the shape of the 6 an unusual strike/error?

[sovereignsteve]

16 hours ago, Seasider said:

The 6 in the date looks a bit dodgy.

yes it is a little strange, but that is not unusual on sovs around the 50's and early 60's

There is a substantial die crack going through the 6 as well.

[sovereignsteve]

15 hours ago, Liam84 said:

Is it some kind of trick question though...?

I am waiting for the self same thing😁

[SVcollector]

Hi guys 

 

The coin is graded MS63 from PCGS. My opinion is that the coin is MS64 minimum because of the fantastic luster it has and the details. 

The wear on the hair is not an actual wear but a die wear if you understand what i mean. Its the same as sovereigns issued in 40's.

 

Low relief 

[sovereignsteve]

11 minutes ago, SVcollector said:

The wear on the hair is not an actual wear but a die wear if you understand what i mean

For that to happen there would have to be something "filling in" the cavity in the die surface.

Do you have a reference that explains this?

The hair on the "bun" is not showing the same wear but i think that is not as high on the releif as the main hair above the ear.

[SVcollector]

Sideburn is the highest part of the hair. look how sharp it is. Usually i dont need reference its just experience through the years. 

I can bet for that.  

Even in a 65 coin you can see the same hair. 

 

[sovereignsteve]

Sideburn? This is the Queen we are talking about, not Albert😁

Anyway, I think I have a 1863 PCGS MS63 that has the same hair but probably hasn't as good a lustre. I'll see if I can find a photo.

[SVcollector]

It would be easier to show you , with a nice beer aside. I am not so good at describing my thoughts in English language. 

[sovereignsteve]

21 minutes ago, SVcollector said:

It would be easier to show you , with a nice beer aside. I am not so good at describing my thoughts in English language. 

lol indeed. maybe I'll get to Greece sometime, I've always wanted to but never managed it😁

[TheGoldSovereign]

It's quite funny to see the opinions on grading in this thread, I laughed so hard at the AU55 and MS66 guesses 🤣