Should I return these?

[Animaru]

I have recently purchased a couple of 2 oz silver coins from the Queen's Beasts series from other users. One arrived yesterday and another arrived today.

I noticed that the one that arrived today seemed to be smeared slightly to the left and right of the queen's head. It also has a lot of white along the rim of the coin.

Having seen this, I thought I'd best check the one I received yesterday as well. Although not as bad, it still seemed to have a couple of small spots (above '2oz' and between 'silver' and '999.9') and the edge was also fairly white.

I'm still fairly new with silver, and thought "is this milk spotting?" and "what can I do?"

I was hoping someone could help with a few questions I have:

Is this to be expected or should I ask for my money back?

Is this to be expected from the Queen's Beasts coins?

Is it possible to clean this or would that be a bad idea for the numismatic value of the coin?

Does gold get these spots or similar issues?

Thanks in advance!

[MickB]

Milk spots will clean off easily with silver dip solution. They're only bullion not proof so wouldn't affect the value. 

[Robjw]

1 hour ago, MickB said:

Milk spots will clean off easily with silver dip solution. They're only bullion not proof so wouldn't affect the value. 

I disagree, milk spotting does effect resale when it comes to premiums.

I recently bought 10 white lions from a forum member and every single one of them had milking, couldnt shift them for the same price I paid and ended up sending them off to BYB to melt down.

The forum have added new suggestions where sellers should provide coin condition, I feel if the seller has not declared they are milked youre buying under the impression they have no issues.

For me I would send them back if the seller will let you.

[Killerzen]

There should definitely be clarification on condition of coins, I'd feel terrible not telling someone about such a big condition issue! 

Unfortunately from my experience from these coins, they're some of the worst spotting coins I've gotten ahold of... at least 75% have at least some spotting on the edge if not on the actual sides. 

My maples ironically have little to no spots compared 

[MickB]

I used to despise milk spotted coins on bullion coins but I just clean them and they come up ok. I don't notice any damage caused by cleaning them.

If I was selling them with milk spots I would mention the condition, also I like looking for milk spotted coins to buy as they are sold cheaper.

[Jimmock]

36 minutes ago, MickB said:

also I like looking for milk spotted coins to buy as they are sold cheaper.

Have you looked at some of the sales listings,some people are still asking the same premium,milk spotted or not. Lol

[MickB]

43 minutes ago, Jimmock said:

Have you looked at some of the sales listings,some people are still asking the same premium,milk spotted or not. Lol

I buy mainly from Ebay and have also bought on the forum at a decnt price for milk spotted, all cleaned up nicely. Haven't looked lately though.

[Animaru]

35 minutes ago, MickB said:

I buy mainly from Ebay and have also bought on the forum at a decnt price for milk spotted, all cleaned up nicely. Haven't looked lately though.

How did you go about cleaning them?

[Animaru]

2 hours ago, Killerzen said:

There should definitely be clarification on condition of coins, I'd feel terrible not telling someone about such a big condition issue! 

Unfortunately from my experience from these coins, they're some of the worst spotting coins I've gotten ahold of... at least 75% have at least some spotting on the edge if not on the actual sides. 

My maples ironically have little to no spots compared 

I have noticed this as well actually! Seems to be a bit of a problem for the series...

[MickB]

13 minutes ago, Animaru said:

How did you go about cleaning them?

https://www.goddardsshop.co.uk/goddards-silver-dip.html

[SILVERFINGER]

Send them back mate, if there is ANY flaws whatsoever then I would expect a member of this forum worth his salt to highlight them in the advert, I would if I was selling something, its common sense for them to and decency, to not do this is deceptive in my opinion.

[Animaru]

Thanks for the replies everyone - it is appreciated!

[motorbikez]

Send them back, here is a thread of mine re spotting on 2oz QBs

https://www.thesilverforum.com/topic/24387-2oz-queens-beasts-spotting/

[Animaru]

It doesn't seem like I'm getting my money back. I'm being told that this is to be expected from these coins and that I'm "overthinking" it.

Thoughts?

[SILVERFINGER]

35 minutes ago, Animaru said:

It doesn't seem like I'm getting my money back. I'm being told that this is to be expected from these coins and that I'm "overthinking" it.

Thoughts?

Did you say it was a seller on here ? , if so do you have a link to their original advert on here ?, if you go on Silvertraders site he won't send out any coins that are not 99% perfect and sells them as slight seconds, one of my mates buys loads of them off of him and some their is hardly anything wrong with them, you have a legal right to return items that are not as described or their faults were hidden from you, did you pay via paypal or credit card ? , you could contact them, poor practice whoever it is, I wouldn't buy from them if I knew who it was.

 

[motorbikez]

8 hours ago, Animaru said:

It doesn't seem like I'm getting my money back. I'm being told that this is to be expected from these coins and that I'm "overthinking" it.

Thoughts?

It's obvious that the spotting annoys you, you can try to work it out with the seller or put it down to experience. I recently nearly bought a graded 2oz QB from a seller on here & categorically asked if the coin had any spotting or fogging. He said yes (& sent photos) so I declined the deal as it was not mentioned in the add. He was fine about it as was I.

[sovereignsteve]

People often have differing standards and some see things that others don't. Obvious marks should be stated and photos should be provided if requested.

These are bullion coins and very few are perfect, whether from new or certainly after several months.

 

[Ravoma]

On 03/09/2020 at 23:41, MickB said:

https://www.goddardsshop.co.uk/goddards-silver-dip.html

I can see it's mostly been used for cleaning silverware. Does this clean milkspots without causing any damage to the bullion?

[sovereignsteve]

I'm not aware of anyone successfully cleaning off milkspots with a dip. Any success is usually achieved by physical means, often with a pencil rubber eraser.

[Roy]

Are we talking about a forum member?

In my opinion, the forum maintains a high standard where the marketplace is concerned.

It's usual for sellers to offer a no quibble money back guarantee.

If the coins were advertised as milked, fair enough. If not, the seller should refund/compensate.

 

[Ravoma]

6 minutes ago, Roy said:

Are we talking about a forum member?

In my opinion, the forum maintains a high standard where the marketplace is concerned.

It's usual for sellers to offer a no quibble money back guarantee.

If the coins were advertised as milked, fair enough. If not, the seller should refund/compensate.

 

Could not agree more. This is the spirit of the forum and the community here. If they were not advertiser with spots the sale was miss leading. I would be curious what the forums policy is on miss leading sales? @ChrisSilver

[Kman]

The QB bullion coins do seem difficult to get pristine but as everyone else has said, anything sold should be done so with clear pictures and any spots/marks/scratches/toning etc stated

[motorbikez]

37 minutes ago, Ravoma said:

Could not agree more. This is the spirit of the forum and the community here. If they were not advertiser with spots the sale was miss leading. I would be curious what the forums policy is on miss leading sales? @ChrisSilver

There is no actual forum policy, but Chris has put this statement as a guide, which IMHO is good enough

 

[Animaru]

I actually put a wanted post out for this coin on this forum and he offered me the coin. He never once mentioned that there was any milking and I noticed it immediately once I received it. 

After contacting him, he seems to be suggesting that I have overreacted and that this is normal for these coins. Now, I understand that the queen's beasts coins have a history of milking, but I would have expected to have at least been told about this prior to purchase. If I had known, I wouldn't have made the purchase. 

Effectively, he has told me to just clean it with an eraser. Would this be likely to significantly affect the value of the coin? Are there any other effective options (is the silver dip/ silver polish useful)?

Also, do you care about the rims of the coins. He seems to have suggested that they don't matter?

I'm not sure whether what he is saying is normal and most people on the forum work within these unspoken guides or whether he is trying to take advantage of someone who doesn't know better.

Apologies for all the questions - I'm still fairly new at this. But thanks for all the help so far everyone - it really is appreciated!

[Clockpuncher]

Seems a bit of a poor buying experience overall - milking is normal but you need to ensure your buyer is informed upfront so they can make their decision.

Push for a return and, if the seller is adamant that it’s your issue not theirs, then leave appropriate feedback.