1796 Spanish 8 Reale

[amiddleton]

Can NCS conservation be used to remove the dark grey or light black oxidation from my new 8 Reale? Or is this a bad idea??

[sixgun]

i would direct your question to @Numistacker who i suspect has the most expertise with conservation and grading.

[HGr]

For me, if I wanted a bright coin, I would buy a less circulated one. Circulated coins which are shiny just don't look right in my opinion. 

I have a few coins which have been cleaned by the previous owner, I find it very distracting to have visible wear and mirror like fields with no mint lustre. 

Edit: sorry didn't notice the question was specifically for NGC conservation. I have no idea!

[amiddleton]

Every comment helps my decision. All opinions are welcomed.

[dicker]

Hi

I don’t own one of this year and am far from experienced within coins from S.American mints, but the things that I would be concerned about are…

- the date numerals.  They look somewhat less curled than others I have seen (the six and the nine)

- the coin looks oddly flat / dull

Personally I would be going for a graded example.  The one I have is from the El Cazador shipwreck and looks quite different in tone and wear.  
 

Best 

Dicker

[MancunianStacker]

2 hours ago, dicker said:

Hi

I don’t own one of this year and am far from experienced within coins from S.American mints, but the things that I would be concerned about are…

- the date numerals.  They look somewhat less curled than others I have seen (the six and the nine)

- the coin looks oddly flat / dull

Personally I would be going for a graded example.  The one I have is from the El Cazador shipwreck and looks quite different in tone and wear.  
 

Best 

Dicker

Agreed, I thought it looked a bit “off”.

[SilverTanner]

Unfortunately fakes - contemporary and modern are very common in this series. The even colour is odd but not unheard of but that may be that it has been cleaned in the past and artifically toned.

It doesn't seem to match any of the known 1796 Mexico 8 reales fakes in my copy of 'Counterfeit Portrait Eight Reales' but modern fakes are appearing all the time. What does the edge look like - it should have the correct design and the overlaps should be opposite one another.

I tend to focus on the smaller reales, and those of Spain rather than the colonies, as they are much less faked - well apart from the 2 reales!

[amiddleton]

Thank you for that information, that is very helpfull. I have not yet made the time to examine the edge, but will do that with a jewelers loop in the sunlight this afternoon or this weekend when I have free time.

[dicker]

If you are ever looking for information on fakes Daniel Sedgwick is the authority and a gentleman to deal with.  He does however tend to deal with older “Cobs”. 

https://www.sedwickcoins.com/fake_cobs.htm

 

Best

Dicket

[amiddleton]

Thanks!

[RacerCool]

On 13/08/2020 at 10:57, MancunianStacker said:

Agreed, I thought it looked a bit “off”.

Which could point to it having been cleaned at some point.

[dicker]

Do look at the date numerals. They look a bit off. 
 

I had a quick look in a reference book and they were definitely different.  
 

Best

Dicker

[amiddleton]

I thought I might give an update after examining the coin with a jewelers loop in the bright sunlight.

Yes the date looks wrong not curly enough.

And the rim floral, or block pattern is good except for two places where their are indications of casting ( Lines running with the coins edge for a short distance ).

I will try to take pictures to post for other members edification.

[dicker]

I have found that a high res photo on a very big screen helps or a decent USB microscope that you can use to see the detail from different angles.  
 

If you have a reference coin that is definitely genuine it is much easier to do a side by side comparison.  
 

Best

Dicker

[SilverTanner]

Pic of a 1796 Mexico 8 reales from the main Spanish auction house