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What is happening in the paper markets does not reflect what is happening in the physical market. There aren't heavy sales of actual physical. 

Where can you buy the actual physical at these current paper prices?
The current mid price for silver on Kinesis is $22.73 - not spot at $22.49.
Granted there isn't a world of difference between these prices but the point is the spot price is a paper price. The vast majority of the billions of ounces of spot silver trades is paper - there is never any physical involved. 

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On 26/01/2022 at 09:29, Gruff said:

To be fair we could call into question David Cameron as well! And ol' big ears himself before that. The man that saw fit to sell most of the UKs gold at knockdown prices... So we could be on 5 in a row if add that war mongering Blair into the mix. This just proves the point that politics globally has been farcical for decades. 

Its been like that since post WW2. UKs in a mess, polarised, housing crisis, debt insanity, taking bets on the banking elite rather than social problems. Little to no production. Selling off metals. No more savings economy. Not letting businesses fall when they should. That doesnt include these nonsense wars.

The Unions finished and the City can take a f*ck at itself.

"The banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. But if you want to continue as the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and to control credit."

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That can apply to the US as well, all milk and honey for Wall Street, even Ray Dalio has stated the debt/inflation is going to cause either hostilities or wealth redistribution.

When a billionaire is admitting its a problem then it shows where the West is heading.

The arrogance, ignorance and elitism is on steriods.

The debt levels are at its highest ever in history, yet people think its okay. What is f*ck is going on. Its like the end of the Roman empire; posing insanity. The state of the West is astounding.

Why arent people learning from the 08' crash as well? Is the cheap debt too good? Low interest rates too good? The debt junkie west is going to pay BIG TIME.

If your surprised this time round your in for a big surprise. We cant have our cake and eat it.

Keep stacking while the Cartel knocks the prices down, denies reality with fake/manipulated data.

"The banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. But if you want to continue as the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and to control credit."

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12 minutes ago, Minimalist said:

Its been like that since post WW2. UKs in a mess, polarised, housing crisis, debt insanity, taking bets on the banking elite rather than social problems. Little to no production. Selling off metals. No more savings economy. Not letting businesses fall when they should. That doesnt include these nonsense wars.

The Unions finished and the City can take a f*ck at itself.

The one small comfort is that we won't have to live for many decades more under the ever increasing income/wealth inequality that's currently being forced onto us by the fiat credit system. The paper spent fighting the holy ghost has almost certainly added so much dry tinder, that when the next crisis hits, it will take down the entire system.  And it will take it down properly this time.  It will be very painful for many, but there is simply no reforming such a leviathan paper mess and there will be no bailing it out next time.

The cabal never end up owning all of whatever gets used as money in the next cycle.  This is because they can't retain control of everything and escape with their lives.  They too must lose some of their wealth if they want their children to continue a life of luxury in the background.  The collapse and debt destruction opens up a huge clearing in the forest, allowing ordinary folk a couple of generations of actual opportunity before the canopy is once again completely covered over.

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34 minutes ago, Minimalist said:

Why arent people learning from the 08' crash as well?

Perhaps because it didn't really crash, they brought it in for a rough landing on a few bubbles. If they'd actually not intervened at all and let the whole thing come down as market forces would dictate it would have been brutal but much shorter duration. They've just kicked the can down the road and made the next crash bigger and more brutal.

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Some market commentators say the market broke in 2008 - like permanently broke. We have had zero interest rates and massive quantitative easing since then. Every time there is an attempt to reverse this process the market has a seizure and we are back to square one. Inflation was kept inside the asset markets but now with the scamdemic it has leaked out and the end is looming.

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6 minutes ago, sixgun said:

Some market commentators say the market broke in 2008 - like permanently broke. We have had zero interest rates and massive quantitative easing since then. Every time there is an attempt to reverse this process the market has a seizure and we are back to square one. Inflation was kept inside the asset markets but now with the scamdemic it has leaked out and the end is looming.

I agree. 2008 broke the financial markets and only by QE/MMT has it been kept alive to this point. I think they will try and keep it alive long enough to get their CBDCs in place before pulling the power on the life support system and offering up that as an alternative. 
No bankers ever got jailed for their incompetence in all of the run up to 2008. 

I think the repo market in 2019 was the market itself pulling the power, but as the banksters couldn't be seen to cause a second crash/recession/depression in a row, in ~11 short years, the Fed stepped in with all that liquidity. It is just a ticking time bomb now. 
Do we the public lose faith in the system or do they get their CBDCs ready first... ?

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54 minutes ago, silversky said:

The one small comfort is that we won't have to live for many decades more under the ever increasing income/wealth inequality that's currently being forced onto us by the fiat credit system. The paper spent fighting the holy ghost has almost certainly added so much dry tinder, that when the next crisis hits, it will take down the entire system.  And it will take it down properly this time.  It will be very painful for many, but there is simply no reforming such a leviathan paper mess and there will be no bailing it out next time.

The cabal never end up owning all of whatever gets used as money in the next cycle.  This is because they can't retain control of everything and escape with their lives.  They too must lose some of their wealth if they want their children to continue a life of luxury in the background.  The collapse and debt destruction opens up a huge clearing in the forest, allowing ordinary folk a couple of generations of actual opportunity before the canopy is once again completely covered over.

The central banking papers indicate that they will go into a "Bail-In" process. Its leaking into the basics and will spread like a cancer through all of everything.

I was surprised to listen to Dalio admit it, maybe he doesnt have evil intentions and is fully aware of history and the ramifications. But he is stating facts, he literally pointed out the mechanics of the system is oppressing the lower classes and most of the Elite are turning away. He literally thinks the US will dive into a second civil war because the political and banking sphere has doubled down with ignorance...

The way I can see it going down this time is through complete denial by the finance system, they will keep pumping out propaganda that prices arent as high as they are stating, it will be all denying reality while inflation eats everywhere. When supply chains get effected thats when we will see things decaying. People will resort to nationalism or some sort of decentralisation which will proceed with the break up of government systems and other entities.

Its going to be horrible but us stackers know deep down its coming. 

42 minutes ago, SidS said:

Perhaps because it didn't really crash, they brought it in for a rough landing on a few bubbles. If they'd actually not intervened at all and let the whole thing come down as market forces would dictate it would have been brutal but much shorter duration. They've just kicked the can down the road and made the next crash bigger and more brutal.

Its communism its as simple as that, they didnt want to crash the market and face deflation.

My friend who runs a BTL business and a broker as trade states the cheap money is too good. Its alright for him to say that when he sells flats for a £15k-£20k gain in Edinburgh and charges £900 for a deal in his regular job. I asked him what he thinks about the next crash and if will accept deflation/crash, he was having none of it. Says it all. The size of the ponzi scheme in Cities throughout the UK is actual astounding, particularly London and Edinburgh. The fact that he was willing to accept the commercial offices in Cities are so inflated is something but refusing to accept the consequences of residential properties is astounding denial and pure arrogance.

39 minutes ago, sixgun said:

Some market commentators say the market broke in 2008 - like permanently broke. We have had zero interest rates and massive quantitative easing since then. Every time there is an attempt to reverse this process the market has a seizure and we are back to square one. Inflation was kept inside the asset markets but now with the scamdemic it has leaked out and the end is looming.

Its actual negative rates if you really consider the bailouts on broke banks and now they are lev'ed up to the eye balls on the assumption of bail-ins. These people are under the illusion that endless fiat has no consequences. Talk to the average City worker or people associated with the financial sector they will tell you its all strong and healthy. The insanity is astounding.

"The banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. But if you want to continue as the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and to control credit."

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30 minutes ago, Gruff said:

the power on the life support system and offering up that as an alternative. 

Doesnt help with the propaganda on Bloomberg and all mainstream platforms denying all Fed Purchasing Programmes thats keeping the stockmarket and asset prices from deflating/crashing. Painting it as its "strong" for us all and no leaks/inflation are in the CPI etc. Honestly its exhausting listening, watching, reading all this keynesian and neoliberal diseased cartel propaganda.

Take a look at all social media, youll see them cry about a rate hike when its impossible to mark in accordingly.

The lunatics want more fiat printed, in fact, they want the Central Banking system to own the whole West. No ones buying up houses in the West the way this continues. Only the central bank will do it through free issued cartel gangster fiat.

"The banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. But if you want to continue as the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and to control credit."

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3 hours ago, Minimalist said:

Ray Dalio

When a billionaire is admitting its a problem then it shows where the West is heading.

I have a lot of time for Ray & he really seems like one of the good guys & I like his honest & analytical approach to business & life in general, not to mention his self critical & ever improving nature & his philanthropic endeavours. Something with Buffet does not site right with me (especially munger), maybe you can add to that (ignoring they are buddies with Gates) - I like to go on instinct & Im often right. 

In one of Dalios books (I have read 3) principles I think, he mentioned that he was an advisor to the US & EU governments & was very pro money printing I & encouraged it but they disagreed - maybe it was Greece or something?? must have been in 07/08?

I may have got that wrong, but maybe he is trying to write some wrongs? Read it a few years back. 

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I have a lot of time for Ray & he really seems like one of the good guys & I like his honest & analytical approach to business & life in general, not to mention his self critical & ever improving nature & his philanthropic endeavours. Something with Buffet does not site right with me (especially munger), maybe you can add to that (ignoring they are buddies with Gates) - I like to go on instinct & Im often right. 

In one of Dalios books (I have read 3) principles I think, he mentioned that he was an advisor to the US & EU governments & was very pro money printing I & encouraged it but they disagreed - maybe it was Greece or something?? must have been in 07/08?

I may have got that wrong, but maybe he is trying to write some wrongs? Read it a few years back. 

Facts are, all of the people you mentioned, including Ray, got more wealthy by printing.

He now recognises its a problem and Berkshire Hathaway owns a Gold company. With huge amounts of cash sidelined, for a reason. Many finance "experts" are baffled by their decision.

Either Buffet is under the illusion the Feds going to rattle rates up (which they cant) or a monster crash is coming WITHOUT help.

The elite are position themselves to their advantage as usual, Ray Dalio is just warning the lower classes because the numbers dont add up due to the inflation, its leaks into other areas.

Dalio is comfortable, he can move freely into the East without a problem, maybe buy a chinese property and sit tight. He probably has Gold but wont admit it as it goes against everything the Cartel system is built for.

We (lower classes) are holding the largest levels of debt in history. I remember I posted about this in another thread and got told I was a conspiracy theorist about all this. If myself and an Elite are on the same page warning about the keynesian economics then whos wrong?

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37 minutes ago, Minimalist said:

Facts are, all of the people you mentioned, including Ray, got more wealthy by printing.

He now recognises its a problem and Berkshire Hathaway owns a Gold company. With huge amounts of cash sidelined, for a reason. Many finance "experts" are baffled by their decision.

Either Buffet is under the illusion the Feds going to rattle rates up (which they cant) or a monster crash is coming WITHOUT help.

The elite are position themselves to their advantage as usual, Ray Dalio is just warning the lower classes because the numbers dont add up due to the inflation, its leaks into other areas.

Dalio is comfortable, he can move freely into the East without a problem, maybe buy a chinese property and sit tight. He probably has Gold but wont admit it as it goes against everything the Cartel system is built for.

We (lower classes) are holding the largest levels of debt in history. I remember I posted about this in another thread and got told I was a conspiracy theorist about all this. If myself and an Elite are on the same page warning about the keynesian economics then whos wrong?

Totally agree, the debt levels the lower classes have is going to inflict a lot of pain in the coming crash. If you have any debt, pay it off as quickly as possible. I think Buffet and Munger are sitting tight waiting for the crash. Then they'll swoop.

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On 26/01/2022 at 09:44, HerefordBullyun said:

I will say it before and I will say it again never in my lifetime have we everhad a competant PM. 

Thatcher rigged the so called free markets, in favour of the elites. And set the roadmap for future financial crashes, by alowing CDO's and derirative bubbles.

Major - Nearly bankrupt Britian and dithered with the.ERM

Blair - War criminal and champagne socialist

Gordon Broon - Sold all UKs gold at lowest price, one eyed incompetant baffoon. Fannied about during the financial crash, doesnt have a clue about economics to boot.

David camoron - A moron alright - Offshore finanical fiddling - self serving anus, like osbourne too. 

Theresa May - A weak leader, and another fabric member of establishment. Part of the banking cartel.

Bojo - a lying self serving etonian clown - PPE baackhanders having p1ss ups whilst everyones dying including royality.

All are facts...... And if you voted for them - your to blame.... 

 

should have put the Queen back in charge  

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should have put the Queen back in charge  

Empires are run by Emperors

Kingdoms are run by Kings and Queens

So whats countries run by? Its sounds the same

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5 hours ago, Gruff said:

Totally agree, the debt levels the lower classes have is going to inflict a lot of pain in the coming crash. If you have any debt, pay it off as quickly as possible. I think Buffet and Munger are sitting tight waiting for the crash. Then they'll swoop.

They are holding metals no doubt about it, that Gold corp they have will be conduiting bars and ounces into their pockets.


Munger seems worried in his latest interviews about the level of debt. Pro China all of a sudden, he wants Xi to buy up more Gold. Even im surprised they are admiting it despite them knowing full well they got extremely wealthy with all the bailouts. These people are in the public for a reason anyway, the shareholders of the banks are the cartel that runs the place.

Powell 2 days ago was HAMMERING against the Gold standard, I nearly puked at the prostitution for his handlers at the Fed shareholders/cartel/gangsters, he looks soulless, maybe they satanic rituals are actually correct after all? Apparently the Fed was created on a child sacrificing alter. Im not joking. Deadly serious. Literally written over a satanic alter, baby murdering alter, swear.

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10 hours ago, silversky said:

The one small comfort is that we won't have to live for many decades more under the ever increasing income/wealth inequality that's currently being forced onto us by the fiat credit system. The paper spent fighting the holy ghost has almost certainly added so much dry tinder, that when the next crisis hits, it will take down the entire system.  And it will take it down properly this time.  It will be very painful for many, but there is simply no reforming such a leviathan paper mess and there will be no bailing it out next time.

The cabal never end up owning all of whatever gets used as money in the next cycle.  This is because they can't retain control of everything and escape with their lives.  They too must lose some of their wealth if they want their children to continue a life of luxury in the background.  The collapse and debt destruction opens up a huge clearing in the forest, allowing ordinary folk a couple of generations of actual opportunity before the canopy is once again completely covered over.

But here is the elephamt in the room to keep the ponzi scheme going.

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/war-cash-digital-dollar

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10 minutes ago, HerefordBullyun said:

But here is the elephamt in the room to keep the ponzi scheme going.

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/war-cash-digital-dollar

My heart tells me it will happen. UBI will get rolled out at the same time or just after it.

A lot of Gold bugs think our… Sorry *cough* our friends Gold and Silver will be confiscated if cash is taken away.

"The banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. But if you want to continue as the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and to control credit."

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But here is the elephamt in the room to keep the ponzi scheme going.

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/war-cash-digital-dollar

The fly in that ointment is that it requires energy.  In a total collapse, firms go bust left right and centre, and energy supplies start collapsing fast fast.  No point generating it when no one can pay for it.

When there is finally an almighty collapse, the very last thing that the majority of people will be doing is worrying about their internet bill just so that they can access their digital bank account debt.  The cabal most likely will try to extend the ponzi scheme in that direction before the end though.  A new fiat to rule them all might add a few short years to the scam if they're lucky.  But slave incomes in the form of "universal basic income" will eventually have to be dished out.  I see that people on receipt of benefits are already getting subsidised energy bills now and that's the start of the end.  Eventually it'll become pointless to even go to work and at that point there's no society left for the elites to spend their ill gotten gains within.  In the past they escaped abroad to do that, but globalism has poisoned that well.

If you've been to Saudi you'll know that the main drag in Jeddah is filled with expensive car dealerships.  Lambo and Ferrari joints.  The elite need a functioning society within which to enjoy their riches and so they dish out enough to keep it functioning.  But the drift is always towards concentration of wealth, and if they don't learn to stop sucking up everything (they can't learn that), then they'll end up with nothing as well when the luxury yacht companies go bust.  Foreign trips to spend your ill gotten gains don't exist when you've captured the entire world.  It always runs up against the buffers when the vast majority have nothing left but debt.  Doesn't matter what the new currency becomes, unless ordinary free people have enough of it to use in fair exchange, it's unusable.

Digital will not be a way to hold wealth through disaster, and the elite know it.  No one is going to turn the computers back on, and expect people to remember what they owed them.  Not after a proper collapse.  That's gold's one and only real job, and unless they discover craters filled with it on the moon, I don't see it changing.  Digital is just a way to entrap the masses and squeeze the very last few drops of labour out of them before the collapse.  Humans are greedy and short sighted and this will happen again no matter how many regulations and restriction the managerial elites try to put in place.  I doubt silver will ever make a return to use as currency, but who really knows.  Both gold and silver have no master in the privacy of a private trade between two ordinary men.  And silver is certainly of a small enough value not to be difficult to barter with.  The elites holding gold may need to wait well into the restart before their gold becomes the premier ledger of wealth again.

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59 minutes ago, Minimalist said:

My heart tells me it will happen. UBI will get rolled out at the same time or just after it.

A lot of Gold bugs think our… Sorry *cough* our friends Gold and Silver will be confiscated if cash is taken away.

That's why people like buying it with cash, and also strangely why there are so many boating accidents. :lol:

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1 hour ago, silversky said:

The fly in that ointment is that it requires energy.  In a total collapse, firms go bust left right and centre, and energy supplies start collapsing fast fast.  No point generating it when no one can pay for it.

When there is finally an almighty collapse, the very last thing that the majority of people will be doing is worrying about their internet bill just so that they can access their digital bank account debt.  The cabal most likely will try to extend the ponzi scheme in that direction before the end though.  A new fiat to rule them all might add a few short years to the scam if they're lucky.  But slave incomes in the form of "universal basic income" will eventually have to be dished out.  I see that people on receipt of benefits are already getting subsidised energy bills now and that's the start of the end.  Eventually it'll become pointless to even go to work and at that point there's no society left for the elites to spend their ill gotten gains within.  In the past they escaped abroad to do that, but globalism has poisoned that well.

If you've been to Saudi you'll know that the main drag in Jeddah is filled with expensive car dealerships.  Lambo and Ferrari joints.  The elite need a functioning society within which to enjoy their riches and so they dish out enough to keep it functioning.  But the drift is always towards concentration of wealth, and if they don't learn to stop sucking up everything (they can't learn that), then they'll end up with nothing as well when the luxury yacht companies go bust.  Foreign trips to spend your ill gotten gains don't exist when you've captured the entire world.  It always runs up against the buffers when the vast majority have nothing left but debt.  Doesn't matter what the new currency becomes, unless ordinary free people have enough of it to use in fair exchange, it's unusable.

Digital will not be a way to hold wealth through disaster, and the elite know it.  No one is going to turn the computers back on, and expect people to remember what they owed them.  Not after a proper collapse.  That's gold's one and only real job, and unless they discover craters filled with it on the moon, I don't see it changing.  Digital is just a way to entrap the masses and squeeze the very last few drops of labour out of them before the collapse.  Humans are greedy and short sighted and this will happen again no matter how many regulations and restriction the managerial elites try to put in place.  I doubt silver will ever make a return to use as currency, but who really knows.  Both gold and silver have no master in the privacy of a private trade between two ordinary men.  And silver is certainly of a small enough value not to be difficult to barter with.  The elites holding gold may need to wait well into the restart before their gold becomes the premier ledger of wealth again.

Great post.

The truth is in the event of a collapse the Banks cant do anything. The owners of resources is what counts, especially supplies of real material. Thats what I keep telling people. Food, energy and basic materials. They have been conditioned to believe the opposite (during "normal" times). It really comes down to energy and production. Tbh energy is number 1. Without it we are back in the stone age.

The problem is the Elite have suppressed and hidden energy systems that can produce enormous production output. Finance keeps us trapped at the helm of the Elite.

People dont really want to hear it but the fiat masters can purchase this technology and get another layer on us. The wealth isnt being produced in the West to the proportion of births and working LENGTH age (retirement). Housing and retirement funds is the number 1 issue in that regard. Instead the Elite are telling us we will have to rent everything while they get wealthier, using our inequality as their gain through population growth. Take UBI, keep consuming, dont own anything, youll work until you die, etc.

Higher the population, lower prices on metals, greater access to resources on their demand/prices… Thats insane.

The cartel know how to manipulate it all, its all an illusion when you really think about it. The statements from the Fed about markets are all nonsense. The suppression on Gold and Silver is incredible.

The smartest elites, always, without fail, own Gold.

I dont really understand members on here who stack metals for the purpose of protection and moan about the price. Well we are insuring ourselves, right? Alright fair enough we like to argue about the cartel but we are getting our metals cheap. Keep stacking.

China is stacking.

Russia is stacking.

Only the smartest elites and citizens of the West are stacking (to move East).

And its on a discount from the Fed/Cartel/BIS.

During the collapse it wont.

Keep stacking lads.

1 hour ago, silversky said:

That's why people like buying it with cash, and also strangely why there are so many boating accidents. :lol:

Im not into coincidence theories but it could be just that

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24 minutes ago, Minimalist said:

Only the smartest elites and citizens of the West are stacking (to move East).

Would you be interested in a cheap 4bed, 2bath gated property 15 miles south of Manila? 😊

Btw, do you ever sleep?!

Technically, alcohol is a solution..

'It [socialism] poses a growing threat, however unintentional, to the freedom of this country, for there is no freedom where the State totally controls the economy. Personal freedom and economic freedom are indivisible. You can’t have one without the other. You can’t lose one without losing the other.'

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, 'a measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.'

Nagsisilbi ka dapat.

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@Minimalist@silversky - great discussion over night, loving reading it with my morning coffee!

Agree completely with all that was said. The power thing dates back to Nikola Tesla and his free energy machines of the late 1800s/early 1900s and a certain financier, John Pierpont Morgan. FIAT currency greed has been around for a long time with the elites and the wish and desire to control the populace. 
When Tesla died in 1943, the FBI raided the hotel suite he had been living in and confiscated all the blueprints for his free energy machines. Imagine what this world could have achieved if the elites didn't control everything and inventions and knowledge like that were freely shared...

I agree, the CBDCs will be the ultimate destruction of the FIAT monetary system but the serfs won't see that as they'll be seeing free UBI. In the ensuing collapse silver will once again become the common peoples money and gold will be the wealthy and the elites.

The closer the collapse of an Empire, the crazier it's laws - Marcus Tullius Cicero

We had the warning in 2006-9 but central banks ignored it and just added new worthless debt to existing worthless debt to create worthless debt squared – an obvious recipe for disaster. - Egon von Greyerz

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6 hours ago, silversky said:

The fly in that ointment is that it requires energy.  In a total collapse, firms go bust left right and centre, and energy supplies start collapsing fast fast.  No point generating it when no one can pay for it.

When there is finally an almighty collapse, the very last thing that the majority of people will be doing is worrying about their internet bill just so that they can access their digital bank account debt.  The cabal most likely will try to extend the ponzi scheme in that direction before the end though.  A new fiat to rule them all might add a few short years to the scam if they're lucky.  But slave incomes in the form of "universal basic income" will eventually have to be dished out.  I see that people on receipt of benefits are already getting subsidised energy bills now and that's the start of the end.  Eventually it'll become pointless to even go to work and at that point there's no society left for the elites to spend their ill gotten gains within.  In the past they escaped abroad to do that, but globalism has poisoned that well.

If you've been to Saudi you'll know that the main drag in Jeddah is filled with expensive car dealerships.  Lambo and Ferrari joints.  The elite need a functioning society within which to enjoy their riches and so they dish out enough to keep it functioning.  But the drift is always towards concentration of wealth, and if they don't learn to stop sucking up everything (they can't learn that), then they'll end up with nothing as well when the luxury yacht companies go bust.  Foreign trips to spend your ill gotten gains don't exist when you've captured the entire world.  It always runs up against the buffers when the vast majority have nothing left but debt.  Doesn't matter what the new currency becomes, unless ordinary free people have enough of it to use in fair exchange, it's unusable.

Digital will not be a way to hold wealth through disaster, and the elite know it.  No one is going to turn the computers back on, and expect people to remember what they owed them.  Not after a proper collapse.  That's gold's one and only real job, and unless they discover craters filled with it on the moon, I don't see it changing.  Digital is just a way to entrap the masses and squeeze the very last few drops of labour out of them before the collapse.  Humans are greedy and short sighted and this will happen again no matter how many regulations and restriction the managerial elites try to put in place.  I doubt silver will ever make a return to use as currency, but who really knows.  Both gold and silver have no master in the privacy of a private trade between two ordinary men.  And silver is certainly of a small enough value not to be difficult to barter with.  The elites holding gold may need to wait well into the restart before their gold becomes the premier ledger of wealth again.

Ahhh but the beauty to that point they will delete the debt though warfare, its been done before, debt erracticated  the ponzi scheme continues....... 97% of the worlds money is already digital they just want to erricate the paper. They will move the chess pieces towards this. Its not difficult to tag blockchain to already digital figures. 

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Central bankers are politicians disguised as economists or bankers. They’re either incompetent or liars. So, either way, you’re never going to get a valid answer.” - Peter Schiff

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5 hours ago, Roy said:

Would you be interested in a cheap 4bed, 2bath gated property 15 miles south of Manila? 😊

 

This could be the best property fight in SE Asia called the villia in Manilia!

I'll get my coat

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Central bankers are politicians disguised as economists or bankers. They’re either incompetent or liars. So, either way, you’re never going to get a valid answer.” - Peter Schiff

Sound money is not a guarantee of a free society, but a free society is impossible without sound money. We are currently a society enslaved by debt.
 
If you are a new member and want to know why we stack PMs look at this link https://www.thesilverforum.com/topic/56131-videos-of-significance/#comment-381454
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17 hours ago, Gruff said:

@Minimalist@silversky - great discussion over night, loving reading it with my morning coffee!

Agree completely with all that was said. The power thing dates back to Nikola Tesla and his free energy machines of the late 1800s/early 1900s and a certain financier, John Pierpont Morgan. FIAT currency greed has been around for a long time with the elites and the wish and desire to control the populace. 
When Tesla died in 1943, the FBI raided the hotel suite he had been living in and confiscated all the blueprints for his free energy machines. Imagine what this world could have achieved if the elites didn't control everything and inventions and knowledge like that were freely shared...

I agree, the CBDCs will be the ultimate destruction of the FIAT monetary system but the serfs won't see that as they'll be seeing free UBI. In the ensuing collapse silver will once again become the common peoples money and gold will be the wealthy and the elites.

Its worse than that the Bush family confiscated Teslas material and gave it to the Nazis. 

"The banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. But if you want to continue as the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and to control credit."

Sir Josiah Stamp, Director of the Bank of England

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