Sovereign Errors, Overdates and Varieties

[Elements]

The obverse does look like from a 6pence die

this is the coin the photo from marsh came from

https://jonblyth.com/coins/coin-details.aspx?id=1550

and this is the standard obverse from londoncoins website

 

 

Edited January 12, 2019 by Elements

[Elements]

[Elements]

If it’s real and the 8 is just an error, the 6pence die error coins are pretty valuable.

[Xander]

39 minutes ago, Elements said:

If it’s real and the 8 is just an error, the 6pence die error coins are pretty valuable.

Marsh grades them R5. Here's hoping

[shortstack68]

see Plate 412A on p.19. of the Half Sov marsh book, this is the coin in the book
 

[shortstack68]

See where his nose is pointing to the Letter I in BRITANNIAR but to the R in the other coin, also check ST.JAMES AUCTION,  November 2011 an 1836 was sold in that auction

Edited January 12, 2019 by shortstack68

[Kritika]

wasent the sixpence die only used on 1/2  Sovs, where’s this is a full Sov?

[shortstack68]

3 minutes ago, Kritika said:

wasent the sixpence die only used on 1/2  Sovs, where’s this is a full Sov?

Correct, not sure whose picture you're referring to though, the one i just added is the plate coin from the Marsh book as i know where this coin is, starting to get confused with all the pictures here lol

Edited January 12, 2019 by shortstack68

[Kritika]

Yes getting confused myself 😊

To avoid confusion, here is my one again and the 1/2 from Marsh plate 142A on p19 kindly posted by shortstcks68

My coin is a full sov, and I must say it looks realy close, but if the sixpence die was only ever used on 1/2 Sovs then that can’t be the error can it?

Or did they also mistakenly use a sixpence die for full Sovs as well?

 

Edited January 12, 2019 by Kritika

[sovereignsteve]

2 hours ago, Kritika said:

My coin is a full sov, and I must say it looks realy close, but if the sixpence die was only ever used on 1/2 Sovs then that can’t be the error can it?

Or did they also mistakenly use a sixpence die for full Sovs as well?

yes it's a full sov, second bust, sixpence die was only used on the half, and it seems they also used the older 1st bust obverse dies as well.

[Nick1368]

can someone please tell me if a Sydney mint shield back sovereign is more expensive than a shield back sovereign without any mint mark?

Edited January 17, 2019 by Nick1368

[Zhorro]

10 hours ago, Nick1368 said:

can someone please tell me if a Sydney mint shield back sovereign more expensive than a shield back sovereign without any mint mark?

Surely it all depends on the date and condition?

[shortstack68]

22 minutes ago, Zhorro said:

Surely it all depends on the date and condition?

Condition is everything for those......Top money for top grades

[sovereignsteve]

22 hours ago, Nick1368 said:

can someone please tell me if a Sydney mint shield back sovereign is more expensive than a shield back sovereign without any mint mark?

No. The Sydney mint shields were from later on in the series and none of the years are rare. Most London mint shields are worth more.

Melbourne, however, has a some rare years, which can be expensive and difficult to find.

[Nick1368]

59 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

No. The Sydney mint shields were from later on in the series and none of the years are rare. Most London mint shields are worth more.

Melbourne, however, has a some rare years, which can be expensive and difficult to find.

that's all I needed to know, thank you.

 

[gold]

I have a 1857 London sovereign that looks to have an R over an I vice verse. Could someone confirm if it is in marsh or not , since I don't have a copy. I think it's around about AU50 is that right or not?

[shortstack68]

45 minutes ago, gold said:

I have a 1857 London sovereign that looks to have an R over an I vice verse. Could someone confirm if it is in marsh or not , since I don't have a copy. I think it's around about AU50 is that right or not?

Die crack, it’s going into the field just below it. Grade I would say 55 or 58, looks pretty decent

Edited January 18, 2019 by shortstack68

[Elements]

Here’s one I found interesting...only because I have that year! @drakesterling noticed 2 different 3’s used for the 1873 Melbourne G&D sovereign year that is not noted in marsh.

Here’s mine, an AU something...53maybe? ( @sovereignsteve  @SovTracker 🧐)

 

And the two varieties noted by Drakesterling

small 3

https://www.drakesterling.com/coins-for-sale/products/1873-melbourne-st-george-reverse-sovereign

Normal 3

https://www.drakesterling.com/sold-coins/products/1873-melbourne-st-george-reverse-sovereign-2-3-4

Have you any @sg86 ? Be interesting to see some closeups

 

 

Learn something new everyday!

 

 

Edited January 25, 2019 by Elements
Added obverse photo

[SovTracker]

There are a number of Australia Sovereign variations for the 1870's and 1880's, some listed and some not and this looks like a good spot. 

Shall we call it "Rounded 3" and "Dodgy 3"? 

[Elements]

It’s hard keeping up with all the variations!

[sovereignsteve]

2 hours ago, Elements said:

It’s hard keeping up with all the variations!

That's the beauty of sovereigns and long may it continue
😊

 

[sovereignsteve]

4 hours ago, Elements said:

Here’s one I found interesting...only because I have that year! @drakesterling noticed 2 different 3’s used for the 1873 Melbourne G&D sovereign year that is not noted in marsh.

Here’s mine, an AU something...53maybe? ( @sovereignsteve  @SovTracker 🧐)

 

And the two varieties noted by Drakesterling

small 3

https://www.drakesterling.com/coins-for-sale/products/1873-melbourne-st-george-reverse-sovereign

Normal 3

https://www.drakesterling.com/sold-coins/products/1873-melbourne-st-george-reverse-sovereign-2-3-4

Have you any @sg86 ? Be interesting to see some closeups

 

 

Learn something new everyday!

 

 

I've never heard of the small 3 variation. Personally I think he's wrong. I've haven't done any fancy measurememnts on the photos but to my eyes, it's not the 3 that's small but the 7 that's too large!

Yours look that way too.

[Elements]

I’m not sure if it’s smaller that’s why I asked SG86 if he had any to compare. There’s something different about it though as sovtracker notes. The ‘small variety’ or ‘dodgy 3’ doesn’t look even to me, the top part of the 3 not curling as far towards the Center line as as the bottom section. The other 3 looks symmetrical

[Elements]

Now that you mention it the 7 does look like it’s in bold font!

[drakesterling]

The small/different 3 is scarcer than the normal 3, but not by much. 

 

It exists on the London issue as well.

 

Eric