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Sovereign Errors, Overdates and Varieties


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4 hours ago, xthomasx said:

Oh yes, everyone is right. It's not a Narrow Shield. I compared it to my hi-res photos of real Narrow Shields.

I wonder what happened - it is slabbed, after all - and what the buyer will do when he/she finds out...

They would have a legit claim against either the auctioner or PCGS I would think. Not sure if the TPG guarantee only applies to the person who slabbed it?

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hi all just got a 1872 shield sovereign.it has a mark on it that looks like it was a mint error.there is also a  line going through the lettering.

i have looked through a few books and searched the net but cant fined answers .will it add or subtract to the value of the coin?what do you guys think.1705597284_minterror2.thumb.jpg.cce0b81c7ee6bc94b1e9df06751a5b17.jpg1409022095_minterror1.thumb.jpg.d25067dc5fe363864a63c524cd49e29e.jpg

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4 hours ago, drakesterling said:

Looks like a die chip. Interesting variety, but not significantly valuable. Would be of interest to a sovereign error collector.


Eric

Interesting thought. Never seen one myself but perfectly reasonable that a few faulty coins could get out before the mint staff discovered the problem.

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On 11/12/2018 at 21:03, Xander said:

Any suggestions what is going on with the 2 in date.

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I've got a few of these, think I listed them as 2/1, sorry I'm not at home so can't check my database. Either way can't tell from the photos as they aren't large enough, but that would be my guess :)

 

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On 20/12/2018 at 17:31, shark said:

hi all just got a 1872 shield sovereign.it has a mark on it that looks like it was a mint error.there is also a  line going through the lettering.

i have looked through a few books and searched the net but cant fined answers .will it add or subtract to the value of the coin?what do you guys think.1705597284_minterror2.thumb.jpg.cce0b81c7ee6bc94b1e9df06751a5b17.jpg1409022095_minterror1.thumb.jpg.d25067dc5fe363864a63c524cd49e29e.jpg

 

Die flaw of some kind, not an edge knock imho.

Die flaws are very very common (the lines running through the legend that you refer to), virtually all coins have something, but I've never seen one like this.

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On 20/12/2018 at 17:31, shark said:

hi all just got a 1872 shield sovereign.it has a mark on it that looks like it was a mint error.there is also a  line going through the lettering.

i have looked through a few books and searched the net but cant fined answers .will it add or subtract to the value of the coin?what do you guys think.1705597284_minterror2.thumb.jpg.cce0b81c7ee6bc94b1e9df06751a5b17.jpg1409022095_minterror1.thumb.jpg.d25067dc5fe363864a63c524cd49e29e.jpg

Could it be from being mounted?

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18 hours ago, Xander said:

Could it be from being mounted?

Not if it's the only one on the coin, don't see why someone would mount it there 🙂

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On 23/12/2018 at 17:07, shark said:

i have read it could be a die cud /break and the line through the letters is a die crack. not to many examples on sovereigns i think.

 

As I said above a massive % of sovereigns have die cracks/flaws, the complete failing of a die and this type of filling is definitely rarer but not sure its at all desirable to collectors (certainly not me) 

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Here’s an odd one.

This has been looked at by a few of our excellent members via PM’s but so far no concensus on what is happening here with the last 8 as clearly it can’t be an 8 due to 1838 being first yr if Victoria etc.

To me it looks like it could possibly be an overstrike 6 over an 8, which would put it as a correct age 1836

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1 hour ago, Xander said:

Could this be it? An overstrike from a sixpence die. 

Its hard to tell I would ideally need to see a clearer image of a sixpence overstrikes to compare it properly.

My main concern  is, will detract from the value of the coin, i.e.. is it just worth its billion weight etc.

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29 minutes ago, Kritika said:

Its hard to tell I would ideally need to see a clearer image of a sixpence overstrikes to compare it properly.

My main concern  is, will detract from the value of the coin, i.e.. is it just worth its billion weight etc.

You can also narrow it down with the band that holds the lower garnishing around the shield together, some coins have a plain centre area, others have a central incuse line added across the centre the bar. I don't think it would detract from the value. 

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22 minutes ago, shortstack68 said:

If it was the OBV, as it was the OBV that was struck from a 6d die. Spink 3832. The 1836 would need a better close-up of the date

Here is a Slightly better picture, adding the Obverse. If you look through this one seems to have a horizontal bar through the garnish bar.

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