Sovereign Errors, Overdates and Varieties

[James32]

12 minutes ago, Lee499 said:

Newbie to collecting here folks. 
I bought one of the 2022 proof sovereigns from the royal mint and I’ve been wondering about gradings.

How much would the grading cost? Would the grading add much value to the coin when the time to sell comes around?

Planning on long time hold for all of my coins, but curious of everyone else’s past experiences.

 

@GoldDiggerDave on here does grading ( pm him for cost )

Think the rrp on the jubilee sovereign was £585? 

A graded pf70 will sell today for £930-£960ish

[GoldDiggerDave]

21 minutes ago, Lee499 said:

Newbie to collecting here folks. 
I bought one of the 2022 proof sovereigns from the royal mint and I’ve been wondering about gradings.

How much would the grading cost? Would the grading add much value to the coin when the time to sell comes around?

Planning on long time hold for all of my coins, but curious of everyone else’s past experiences.

 

I’ve graded 35-40 2022 proof sovereigns, just got my 5 coin set back this week  I have sold lots between £800-950 the £5 sovs fetch 5.5-6k and sell very fast.  
 

It all depends on what grade you get, proof sovereigns grade well and you are unlucky if you get a 69.   
 

if you need to know anything else just give me a pm, I have done loads of grading for guys here. 

[Lee499]

55 minutes ago, James32 said:

@GoldDiggerDave on here does grading ( pm him for cost )

Think the rrp on the jubilee sovereign was £585? 

A graded pf70 will sell today for £930-£960ish

£585 rep sounds about right!
Thanks for reply….I’ll drop @GoldDiggerDave a message 👌🏾

[sovereignsteve]

17 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

It all depends on what grade you get, proof sovereigns grade well and you are unlucky if you get a 69.   

I must have been unlucky as I reckon a third of my sovs got 69, £2 better and £5 perfect. The star of the lot was the half with a 100% 70 grading. This is unusual as I find the half is usually the worst by far.

[Simonz]

1887M

Is this a DISH M8, Marsh 131E, Spink 3867B? Melbourne, second legend?

[Booky586]

1 hour ago, Simonz said:

1887M

Is this a DISH M8, Marsh 131E, Spink 3867B? Melbourne, second legend?

Yes, I'd say so. There's some helpful info for identifying jubilee head sovereigns here:

https://www.drakesterling.com/news/post/jubilee-head-gold-sovereign-varieties

https://issuu.com/jammdesign/docs/jubilee_brochure

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by Booky586

[Simonz]

1 hour ago, Booky586 said:

Yes, I'd say so. There's some helpful info for identifying jubilee head sovereigns here:

https://www.drakesterling.com/news/post/jubilee-head-gold-sovereign-varieties

https://issuu.com/jammdesign/docs/jubilee_brochure

 

Thanks so much @Booky586 There seems to have been a lot of intensive research put into this series of coins!

[shawy2510]

Found this today when about to list for sale. 

4 over a 4 maybe

 

[ShineyMagpie]

Certainly looks like that may the case

[Jake0111]

6 hours ago, ShineyMagpie said:

Certainly looks like that may the case

Can a case been to big do this kind of damage 

[ShineyMagpie]

@Jake0111 im not sure if thats humour or misunderstanding of my choice of words, sorry. I was implying that it looks like it might be a 4 stamped over a 4

[Jake0111]

@ShineyMagpie sorry it was just a misunderstanding. I didnt mean anything by it.

[ShineyMagpie]

@Jake0111 if fine not a problem at all, just wanted to make sure I wasn't confusing anyone.

[GoldDiggerDave]

7 hours ago, shawy2510 said:

Found this today when about to list for sale. 

4 over a 4 maybe

 

Looks more like a 1/4 interesting. 

[ShineyMagpie]

On 15/12/2022 at 19:18, GoldDiggerDave said:

just got my 5 coin set back this week

Looking great!

[Simonz]

Apologies for posting this Guinea in a Sovereign thread, but seemed the most relevant place for this question.

Looks like a double stamp of the 'R' in 'GRATIA'

Not mentioned in Farey's Guinea Guide, is this kind of thing too minor/common to list? He does list a several other varieties.

[sovereignsteve]

Not a "double stamp" which suggests a minting issue but a genuine "R over R" engraver's error. Probably tried to correct an out of alignment R by re-punching it.

I suspect that is what you meant😊

[Simonz]

6 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

Not a "double stamp" which suggests a minting issue but a genuine "R over R" engraver's error. Probably tried to correct an out of alignment R by re-punching it.

I suspect that is what you meant😊

Thanks @sovereignsteve that's what I thought, re-stamp to correct wonky 'R'. 

[jultorsk]

This 1858 Vicky shield is in a rather poor nick, but I wanted to share it due to the funny die break+clump on the reverse 'N" in REGINA. On a good day this one might also pass for unbarred 'A' variety, not sure. 🤷‍♂️

 

 

[sovereignsteve]

7 hours ago, jultorsk said:

This 1858 Vicky shield is in a rather poor nick, but I wanted to share it due to the funny die break+clump on the reverse 'N" in REGINA. On a good day this one might also pass for unbarred 'A' variety, not sure. 🤷‍♂️

Yes that die crack is rather deep below the N

Some people might regard it as having unbarred A's but you can clearly see where the punch is broken. Depends how you define unbarred I suppose?

Personally I am only interested when the engraver has used an inverted V instead of a A

[jultorsk]

50 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

Some people might regard it as having unbarred A's but you can clearly see where the punch is broken. Depends how you define unbarred I suppose?

👍 Agreed, it's not a 'V' - and indeed a matter of definition, comparing to these for example:

https://auctions.thecoincabinet.com/lots/view/4-8DY4S/great-britain-victoria-1858-gold-sovereign-shield-unbarred-as-very-fine

https://auctions.thecoincabinet.com/lots/view/4-1EYPLC/1858-gold-sovereign-unbarred-a-ngc-au-53-6055713-010 (not holdered as such)

[DrK]

On 13/01/2023 at 01:13, shawy2510 said:

Found this today when about to list for sale. 

4 over a 4 maybe

 

Looks like a normal 4 to me, with a big horizontal ding near top of the 4.  I own an 1874-M sov which always seemed to me to be large 4 over smaller 4, but not really conslusive ...

[DrK]

On 12/01/2023 at 15:34, Simonz said:

1887M

Is this a DISH M8, Marsh 131E, Spink 3867B? Melbourne, second legend?

Second legend, imperfect J. Definitely DISH-M8 IMO.

[KevjustKev]

As 90% of my gold and silver is for stacking, how do I find out if I may have something a bit different? Is there a good guide I can get hold of? I have the Marsh book but it's for general stuff, if you know what I mean.

Edited February 9, 2023 by KevjustKev

[paulmerton]

Before I send it back, is it possible that this is a struck-thru error on the centre of my memorial quarter sovereign?

VS