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Sovereign Errors, Overdates and Varieties


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1 hour ago, dicker said:

Yet another 1856

Both A's from GRATIA.  

First one has a broken bar, the second looks like poor engraving!

 

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I have seen quite a few broken bar 'A's its the die that has broken, the Royal Mint obviously didn't feel its was worth taking the Die out of production.

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This thread has been created for anyone with a Sovereign overdate, variation or error etc who would like to ask questions or have them checked out by other forum members. If you are asking for ad

So, sorting through a % of my Sydney only shields and found this new discovery 1875S - 1 over inverted 1 Something also to note is that this is on the raised W.W. variety so rarer in itself.

https://sites.google.com/view/thepettyhoard/the-indian-sovereigns This link shows the mintage list of all Indian I mintmark sovereigns. Apologies if previously posted beforehand.

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Just now, Allgoldcoins said:

I have seen quite a few broken bar 'A's its the die that has broken, the Royal Mint obviously didn't feel its was worth taking the Die out of production.

Yes, agreed.  I have see more broken bars on the earlier Victoria Sovereigns. I think on the 1870’s the design changed slightly and I can’t recall seeing many after this date.  
 

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Not an error or overdate, just another variety.

It wouldn’t win any beauty contest but I’m just putting here for reference.

The 1889 Melbourne mint jubilee head, 1st variety rated R3 by Marsh (133). Mintage: 54,652.

Just 15 graded by PCGS

Already graded by PCGS as AU53 so not the best example, due to arrive with me on Tuesday.

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8 hours ago, Foster88 said:

Not an error or overdate, just another variety.

It wouldn’t win any beauty contest but I’m just putting here for reference.

The 1889 Melbourne mint jubilee head, 1st variety rated R3 by Marsh (133). Mintage: 54,652.

Just 15 graded by PCGS

Already graded by PCGS as AU53 so not the best example, due to arrive with me on Tuesday.

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This is a genuinely scarce variety. 

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Fully appreciate that die cracks are not errors but interesting to compare the following I's in Gratia.  Clearly a weak point - I have many similar examples but just interesting to see this on two Sovereigns minted close together in time but at different mints.

Picture 1 - 1872 London - a small die crack starting to appear

Picture 2 - 1873 Sydney - big die crack in there same place

 

 

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4 hours ago, dicker said:

Fully appreciate that die cracks are not errors but interesting to compare the following I's in Gratia.  Clearly a weak point - I have many similar examples but just interesting to see this on two Sovereigns minted close together in time but at different mints.

Picture 1 - 1872 London - a small die crack starting to appear

Picture 2 - 1873 Sydney - big die crack in there same place

 

 

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I love die cracks, I've got a few 1871 SB's with almost the same die crack diagonally in the 1 in the date.  It would need one hell of a database but it would be great to see first strike sovereigns and pictures of the coin throughout the life of the die set.  

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2 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

I love die cracks, I've got a few 1871 SB's with almost the same die crack diagonally in the 1 in the date.  It would need one hell of a database but it would be great to see first strike sovereigns and pictures of the coin throughout the life of the die set.  

I agree, I personally find it fascinating to look at the die cracks across coins and mints. 
 

While I find fault in the engraving of Victorian Sovereigns, it is quite remarkable that anyone can engrave to the detail of the lettering, given it is so small. It might be easier today with high quality microscopes, but actually it is quite an achievement.

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3 hours ago, dicker said:

While I find fault in the engraving of Victorian Sovereigns, it is quite remarkable that anyone can engrave to the detail of the lettering, given it is so small. It might be easier today with high quality microscopes, but actually it is quite an achievement

I believe the main engraving is done in plaster considerably larger than a sovereign (maybe a foot in diameter) and then reduced by a transfer reducing machine.

When the lettering and dates are punched in I'm not sure, nor what size die they are dealing with at that stage.

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15 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

I believe the main engraving is done in plaster considerably larger than a sovereign (maybe a foot in diameter) and then reduced by a transfer reducing machine.

When the lettering and dates are punched in I'm not sure, nor what size die they are dealing with at that stage.

I've had one of those plaster mouldings in my hands, W.W Victoria young head...........priceless.   

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