Help what grade do you think this gothic crown is

[Platinumskies]

Hi guys I’m thinking of buying this coin at an auction what grade do you think it is I think 64 possibly cam I would appreciate the help there is one at the auction that is graded a 62 but this is in a lot better shape

[kimchi]

2 minutes ago, shortstack68 said:

Its a high grade coin but the black mark through it lets it down

Is that surface do you think, could it be conserved?

[Agpanda]

Just send it to NCC, they clean it as good its possible

And yes, I believe it to be a high grade

[Xander]

56 minutes ago, Platinumskies said:

Hi guys I’m thinking of buying this coin at an auction what grade do you think it is I think 64 possibly cam I would appreciate the help there is one at the auction that is graded a 62 but this is in a lot better shape

Looks like your on a winner there. here is a couple of different grades.

[Platinumskies]

2 hours ago, shortstack68 said:

Its a high grade coin but the black marks through it lets it down, so their GEF assessment is pretty much spot on but i think the marks will put off the more serious buyers

The black dots are flyspecks they are conservable the line across the face looks like toning I don’t think it’s rubber burn but I don’t think rubber burn is conservable but it should grade fine

[AlphaBeast]

Came across this, might be handy for any of you - https://www.pcgs.com/grades

[sovereignsteve]

The reverse especially is pretty much as minted, so UNC in the British system imo

[Platinumskies]

10 hours ago, shortstack68 said:

Graded as GEF by DNW, which i'd be around there, the 2 black lines on the OBV detract, the REV Scottish thistle also has wear, the highest point of it is white which indicates the wear. The largest cross on the centre of the crown, right in the centre the Jewel is also white, indicating wear. The main detraction will be the 2 black streaks, but i think it will be a £4000 coin

I have to disagree gEF is 60 to 61 it’s better than a 62 I think 63 to 64 compare it to the other coin graded 62 in the auction you will see it’s a lot better

[Platinumskies]

10 hours ago, shortstack68 said:

Graded as GEF by DNW, which i'd be around there, the 2 black lines on the OBV detract, the REV Scottish thistle also has wear, the highest point of it is white which indicates the wear. The largest cross on the centre of the crown, right in the centre the Jewel is also white, indicating wear. The main detraction will be the 2 black streaks, but i think it will be a £4000 coin

And if it was a rubber band mark wouldn’t it marks be more parallel and also on the other side

[sovereignsteve]

16 hours ago, shortstack68 said:

Graded as GEF by DNW, which i'd be around there, the 2 black lines on the OBV detract, the REV Scottish thistle also has wear, the highest point of it is white which indicates the wear. The largest cross on the centre of the crown, right in the centre the Jewel is also white, indicating wear. The main detraction will be the 2 black streaks, but i think it will be a £4000 coin

Ignoring the black marks, the coin only has minute arears of wear, as you point out.

The reasons I say better than gEF are:

I have found DNW to be a little inconsistent with their grading and, compared to Baldwins, they generally grade lower on average.

They had a couple in their last auction, both under-graded imo, and also compared to a similar one at Bladwins.

To get an UNC grading, a coin doesn't have to be perfect. I have seen many coins as good as this graded as UNC or "as minted" by DNW. Perhaps they are taking the black marks into consideration.  as well as wear.

However, the area above EF is always a minefield to grade and does tend to polarise and split graders somewhat. We must alwqys remember grading is personal and subjective.

6 hours ago, Platinumskies said:

I have to disagree gEF is 60 to 61 it’s better than a 62 I think 63 to 64 compare it to the other coin graded 62 in the auction you will see it’s a lot better

I would agree but gEF could extend to 62

[JohnA]

It's a beautiful coin, no matter what.