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7 minutes ago, DrDave said:

Got my first submission back from NGC today via @GoldDiggerDave

These were the best of the 5, and seeing as they were rescued from ebay without cases, i think they've done rather well. Thanks again to Dave for your help with these 👍 

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You've got a 1997 😍

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19 minutes ago, DrDave said:

Got my first submission back from NGC today via @GoldDiggerDave

These were the best of the 5, and seeing as they were rescued from ebay without cases, i think they've done rather well. Thanks again to Dave for your help with these 👍 

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I was looking at purchasing this year. But went for the 2014. Hopefully soon. Beautiful mate 😍

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On 18/11/2022 at 12:51, wateros said:

I don't like this portrait too much, but it seems to be a very rare image of Elizabeth, so I was tempted :)

The portrait grown on you. I would sit there for hours looking at it , saying “it’s nice, it’s nice” ,then finally I started believing it. 😂😂

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53 minutes ago, arphethean said:

Absolutely blown away by this morning's arrival...

A 1984 🐼 panda 🐼

Before 1989 pandas there were no bullion pandas, and a few years were only issued as proofs containing 27g of 0.900 silver, and in relatively small numbers. It is the first one at a sensible price I have seen in UK in two years of panda collecting so had to have it. 

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It joins the embarrassment* of pandas in my collection along with two 2023s that arrived this week from @Pandao

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*that's the collective noun for pandas. Ironic as I'm actually quite proud of my 🐼 pandas! 

1984 its very expensive. £1300 in China ! 

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On 22/11/2022 at 19:53, richatthecroft said:

I agree with what you say, I think there is something about the 1911 year date that sets it apart in terms of grade predictability as opposed to other year dates- your Silver coins from the same set at 62’s is alarming, there’s usually some uniformity between the coins within a set.

Importantly your Sovereign got a Cameo designation- I would always prefer the Cameo rather than a higher numerical grade, but I acknowledge a higher number coupled with a Cameo designation would be preferable. 

I think I was extremely fortunate with my 1911 Sovereign at PF64 UC, there’s only 9 designated UC including mine below- but I would say your Sovereign looks comparable to mine- my Half achieved a PF64* the Reverse clearly let it down.

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I may start a new thread on this topic because I want to get to the bottom of this to save people potential future disappointment and cost. I have compared the 3 florins, none have major problems and in fact the 66 is light years ahead in eye appeal and that’s the difference (I wanted a * and cam despite they are almost impossible to get). The 65+ looks far better in-hand and from different angles looks pretty nice. The PF62 is super clean but toned and again on other angles changes tone to improve eye appeal. I am convinced this is all down to toning but welcome to other suggestions:

 

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also I have found this on PCGS’s website:

While attractive toning cannot raise a heavily marked or weakly struck coin into much higher grade, it can sometimes tilt a borderline coin into the higher grade, especially in the top Mint State and Proof grades of MS/PR-67 and up. Conversely, a coin with exceptionally poor eye appeal – dark, splotchy, unattractive toning will have difficulty making it past MS-62 or MS-63, simply because the market value of such a coin cannot warrant a higher grade.

I know many US collectors don’t like toned coins which I have never experienced in the UK collector circles, so maybe it’s just a difference I’ll need to account for moving forward - fully toned coins May grade badly if they aren’t rainbow tones 

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2 hours ago, Simmoleon said:

I may start a new thread on this topic because I want to get to the bottom of this to save people potential future disappointment and cost. I have compared the 3 florins, none have major problems and in fact the 66 is light years ahead in eye appeal and that’s the difference (I wanted a * and cam despite they are almost impossible to get). The 65+ looks far better in-hand and from different angles looks pretty nice. The PF62 is super clean but toned and again on other angles changes tone to improve eye appeal. I am convinced this is all down to toning but welcome to other suggestions:

 

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also I have found this on PCGS’s website:

While attractive toning cannot raise a heavily marked or weakly struck coin into much higher grade, it can sometimes tilt a borderline coin into the higher grade, especially in the top Mint State and Proof grades of MS/PR-67 and up. Conversely, a coin with exceptionally poor eye appeal – dark, splotchy, unattractive toning will have difficulty making it past MS-62 or MS-63, simply because the market value of such a coin cannot warrant a higher grade.

I know many US collectors don’t like toned coins which I have never experienced in the UK collector circles, so maybe it’s just a difference I’ll need to account for moving forward - fully toned coins May grade badly if they aren’t rainbow tones 

What’s with the 65? Looks to me like it’s been in my washing up bowl with a Brillo pad?🤔

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2 hours ago, Simmoleon said:

I may start a new thread on this topic because I want to get to the bottom of this to save people potential future disappointment and cost. I have compared the 3 florins, none have major problems and in fact the 66 is light years ahead in eye appeal and that’s the difference (I wanted a * and cam despite they are almost impossible to get). The 65+ looks far better in-hand and from different angles looks pretty nice. The PF62 is super clean but toned and again on other angles changes tone to improve eye appeal. I am convinced this is all down to toning but welcome to other suggestions:

 

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also I have found this on PCGS’s website:

While attractive toning cannot raise a heavily marked or weakly struck coin into much higher grade, it can sometimes tilt a borderline coin into the higher grade, especially in the top Mint State and Proof grades of MS/PR-67 and up. Conversely, a coin with exceptionally poor eye appeal – dark, splotchy, unattractive toning will have difficulty making it past MS-62 or MS-63, simply because the market value of such a coin cannot warrant a higher grade.

I know many US collectors don’t like toned coins which I have never experienced in the UK collector circles, so maybe it’s just a difference I’ll need to account for moving forward - fully toned coins May grade badly if they aren’t rainbow tones 

For comparison a 62, 64 and a beautifully toned raw one with super clean surfaces, I’ve always thought this one would to well (65+ but don’t want to slab such a nice original set)

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21 minutes ago, matt1r said:

For comparison a 62, 64 and a beautifully toned raw one with super clean surfaces, I’ve always thought this one would to well (65+ but don’t want to slab such a nice original set)

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That raw one is stunning and I suspect it should grade very well but totally agree, if it’s part of an original set then it’s a shame to split it up in to slabs. Also your examples, just add to my belief that 1911 grading is just a lottery 

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45 minutes ago, Petra said:

What’s with the 65? Looks to me like it’s been in my washing up bowl with a Brillo pad?🤔

My experience of 1911 silver is it’s toning is quite often streaky or uneven. It added character to them but not sure graders agree. I have always assumed this toning is something to do with how the planchet was polished and some specific about the case they come in but if anybody knows then please share. Also the pic for the authentication doesn’t the coin no justice, it’s like it was taken under the wrong light conditions. Below is what it looks like using a phone camera which is closer to reality than the official pics 

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