Stuntman

The forthcoming 1 oz Una and the Lion gold bars might be right up your alley if you're looking for some diversification to your gold stack. Although as others have said, keeping adding items to your 1 oz UK gold coin stack/collection will avoid any potential CGT angle when you come to sell. Do you have the 1 oz gold coronation bar that the RM released last year? If not, that might be another contender.

I'd say it's VF at best, and ex-jewellery. So it probably won't appeal to the numismatic collector very much. Still a lovely lump of historical gold, but hard to see much of a premium over spot for it.

I think it's probably the matte finish version of the 1902 quintuple. I think there was a non-matte currency (bullion) version and also this matte version, which (again I think) was described as proof. You can certainly get non-proof matte finish coins; the modern quintuple from 2019 onwards also comes as a matte finish brilliant uncirculated coin, not a proof. The currency version of the 1902 seems to command a higher value than the matte. A lot of the 1902 matte proof silver coins were 'wiped' at the Royal Mint and this may have been what happened to your coin here. So it might not have been cleaned post-mint, the 'cleaning' may have occurred at the RM. Looks a nice coin in the second set of photos. Definitely would be one to evaluate in-hand if I was thinking of buying (which I'm not). Good luck with the sale.

Just ordered the 1 oz gold bullion coin. Looking forward to it turning up sometime next week 🙂

The difference is more noticeable on the obverse in my opinion. Less so on the reverse. I have the BU version (in original RM packaging and the coin has remained in the capsule) and it's still my absolute favourite gold coin, aesthetically.

I wish they just made these as bullion coins instead.

I'd replied in the New Royal Mint bullion thread, but I'm also of the view that the horizontal layout isn't ideal. Although hard to avoid, given the design. I agree that a square bar would be a lot more interesting and distinctive as a series.

Interesting, thanks. Given the drawings that they had previously shared, I wondered whether it would be a horizontal design, rather than a vertical design like the other RM minted bars. It's quite a nice design but it doesn't scream 'Buy me' - in my opinion anyway.

They already did, in 2021 (see the bars on the right in the photos), in 1 oz gold, 1 oz silver, 10 oz silver and I think also 100 oz silver. I don't really want to spend money on bars because of the CGT angle. Therefore I can see this potentially getting expensive if I choose to take the plunge.

I'm confused. The RM released some Una & The Lion bullion bars in 2021 as part of the Great Engravers series. Why is there any need for any more? I'd far rather they released an Una & The Lion bullion coin...

I worked in a betting shop in 1990/91 and during the year I was there, I received three silver florins (1922, 1929 and 1941) and one silver shilling (1935) into the till. With the shop manager's permission, I swapped them for normal 5p/10p coins. I sold two of these coins for scrap silver value, and still have the other two because they were in pretty reasonable condition. The 1929 florin is VF or thereabouts:

This is quite an interesting article about the demise of the florin: https://www.royalmintmuseum.org.uk/journal/curators-corner/florin/

Before the demonetisation of the old larger 5p, you could theoretically find shillings going back to 1816 in your change. So theoretically all the way up until the end of 1990 there were circulating coins with George III, George IV, William IV, VIctoria, Edward VII, George V, George VI and Elizabeth II on them. The older larger 10p coins were demonetised in 1993 but the old Florins/Two Shillings coins only dated back to Victoria (1849) and were a different size before 1887.

I'm more of a collector than a stacker, but most of my collection is modern UK bullion. I suppose the difference for me is that I tend to buy just a single example of a coin or bar that I like, rather than (say) buying five 2024 sovereigns (which would be better value for money, but less interesting). The few duplicates I do have will be sold and the proceeds spent on daily living. I expect all, or very nearly all future purchases will be bullion. I like numismatic predecimal coins but I stopped buying about 4 years ago. Ideally I would love to buy a few more, but not until I think I have finished adding to my bullion collection. I have my eye on a few coins that I think the RM will release in future. Maybe I'll be in the market for a 1691-93 William & Mary half crown in about 3 years' time!

I think it's a lovely idea to give them some gold. Definitely at least one coin needs to be dated 2024, and the 1974 coin idea is a good one if you can find something suitable. Otherwise maybe two halves, both dated 2024?

Didn't realise they had been released into circulation yet. Is that true, are they out there in the wild?

^^^ Indeed. Although only in silver.

Based on the proclamation link above, it's pretty certain that there's a bullion G&D coin range coming soon. Like you, I'm very interested in PM bullion coins and don't have any PM proof coins.

Yes, I think this design will do well in the long term - although the potential market is limited because it's the kind of coin that only really appeals to collectors, rather than stackers. I am more of a collector than a stacker, but I don't collect proofs. So in my opinion your exit strategy is quite limited. It's a lovely coin though, I'd be really pleased to own it.

I'm not sure it's much help, but I do know that recent Olympic Gold medals (2000 onwards, and probably earlier) are mostly made of silver with some gold over the top. They are not made of solid gold. So the silver gilt information may well be completely accurate.

I think some of us are hoping that the Wyon design will be what the RM use for the St. George & Dragon coin due for release later this year. This appears to be a separate coin, not the Pistrucci Great Engravers coin. From @westminstrel's thread last year: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4479558 Alternatively, there is a fairly recent Jody Clark design which would also be good in my opinion.

Even the quintuple BU matte coin may not fully do it justice. I think the matte finish makes the detail and contrast quite hard to see. I'd love to see a quintuple proof memorial sov in hand, to see if that really made the design pop. Basically, the memorial is a lovely but very busy design which is hard to show off. The bullion double sovereign is perhaps the sweet spot in terms of size vs quality vs price in my opinion for this design.

3 Brits, or however many sovereigns £5000 will buy. Low premiums on the way in, high percentage of spot on the way out. Trusted and recognisable coins, whether selling privately or to a dealer. Personally I think platinum is the best value of the three main PMs at the moment, but in terms of maximising your return on physical bullion, I wouldn't buy either platinum or silver. So how about - a physical Brit and a couple of sovereigns, and then split the remainder equally between a platinum ETF and a silver ETF?

I really don't see the appeal of uniface error coins but I appreciate that some people might really want these. The mule coin is interesting, I can see the appeal of that one, but the price is such that I would never consider purchasing!

I wouldn't even go that high. F at best for me, and I wouldn't quibble with NF - especially for the obverse.