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I’ll take this James if the other guy doesn’t take it. Thanks
Richard
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33 minutes ago, arphethean said:
Crowns:
George IV laureate head in EF
There's a lovely George IV Laurette Crown (Lot 153) in the forthcoming Hosker Haynes auction on the 26th March https://www.hoskerhaynes.com might well be some of the others you require.
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What denominations are these please?
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This one’s mine- it’s consigned to the next Hosker Haynes Auction if anyone wishes to have a bid:
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Clearly, not the best condition Set but the photographs aren’t the best either- these 1937 sets need to be seen in hand to accurately appraise them- and even in extremely high grade, they often present with multiple surface scratches and photography doesn’t flatter.
The most notable observation for me, aside for the indefensible filing to the edge of the 5 Sovereign (or knock if this is the case), is the weak Cameo on all of the coins, but again, the photos might be deceptive- in hand, maybe the overall eye appeal might be more attractive than depicted and perhaps one or two of the lower denominations might be decent grades?
I wouldn’t be attracted to buying such a set, but for the right money, everyone would buy!
47 minutes ago, Spyder said:It is so sad, but is seems those coins were played about with. Those are not micro scratches by wearing cotton gloves. Those have been slid across the table and the 5 sovereign dropped. Why is the date completely different in the £5, that looks suspicious. All the other dates the 3 is curved and that one it is straight
I think the 5 Sovereign is absolutely fine in terms of authenticity- here’s an authenticated 5 Sovereign to compare the numbering/ lettering.
For reference, this 5 Sovereign is graded by PCGS PF67 DCam-
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/31967971
Not my coin! But please note the surface marks in the fields.
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Beautiful Gold coins remain available- presentation cases included- minuscule census at NGC.
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19 minutes ago, SlowFrog said:
I'd wager so if PCGS have made such a grave error. It hardly instils confidence, does it? I'm not saying I'd want this, but I am curious if they could be held legally accountable for mislabelling such a coin when the price difference is so significant. If there's no accountability then one could argue that it'd be a great way to run a scam - especially if it isn't a one off.
Mistakes are frequently made by these companies- I once had a 1/4oz Gold Proof Mexićo Libertad returned to the person who submitted it on my behalf attributed as a GB 50p coin! Likely the submission form was filled in incorrectly- but you are correct- its easily plausible that a scam could be possible, by unscrupulous people making fraudulent entries on the submission form and the corresponding coin making it through the Grading process in agreement with the submitters entry on the sheet. It might sound far- fetched, but I read an article describing that the mechanised process of these companies allows only a few seconds of appraisal by a Grader prior to a judgment being made.
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1 hour ago, 1stsovereign said:
FYI: There has been many PCGS graded £5 as proofs - however they have been wrongly graded so buyers be aware!
Thanks Adrian. It’s unbelievable and unforgivable that fundamental mistakes are made by third party grading companies, particularly with modern coins- I wonder if there are any uninitiated collectors out there who have paid Proof prices for a mislabeled Bu slabbed coin.
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4 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:
To my eyes the dies look the same, just differences in frosting and slight colour.
Both equally beautiful.
Agreed Steve, the dies used, look to be the same and both types are wonderful. Clearly, the Obverse of the 5 Sovereign Piece gives it away as a Bu coin- the photos above flatter it, as it appears there is a degree of Cameo when actually there isn’t.
Same with the Reverse, the 5 Sovereign Piece is once again flattered in the photos I have taken, in hand, the frosting much weaker than it’s Proof counterpart, and a marked difference in terms of the lack of definition and detail of the Garter, lack of frosting to the Rim, and no frosting to the lettering. @Coverte’s idea of taking side by side photos of his Bu issues would be useful, as perhaps there might be some nuances between coins, perhaps some having a degree of frosting to the Obverse? And a deeper Cameo to the Reverse? -
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Nothing better to do whilst recovering from man- flu.
On a recent sales post a debate arose surrounding the merits of the Deep Proof Like 2017 Five Sovereign Piece (992 mintage) and the 2017 Proof Sovereign (749 mintage).
Some (not great) photos I have taken of both of them to compare and contrast.
In hand, and to my eyes, there’s a marked difference. What do you think?
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Any interest in these?
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George IV (1820-1830) Crown
in UK (Ungraded)
Posted · Edited by richatthecroft
George IV (1820-30) Crown, 1821, laureate head left, rev. St. George slaying dragon, date below, edge SECUNDO, (S.3805, ESC.2310). Trivial edge knock at one o'clock, grey tone and extremely fine.
A glorious Crown.
£575 posted