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Actually there still many(14) in Taiwan dealer… but it is pre-order

On 3/31/2024 at 2:55 AM, Tn21 said:

Nice bar, but it does look like a knock off Britannia bar royal mint version 

I can't agree more🤭

This beautiful coin is for sale, 69 cents but I can't see anything wrong with it.price for  GBP2090 including postage (other currencies are also available), but There is no insurance. This is because my country’s laws restrict the export of precious metals, so it can only be sent by post. However, so far, there have been no problems with packages sent to the UK. It is also possible for other countries, but it is still based on your country. Based on laws and regulations, please allow 1-2 weeks for delivery.

thankyou again for all😂 Especially for detailed comparison instructions  @arphethean @Wampum

Okay, now after FB notified their director, the director's reply is: No one except the director has received my letter, and

"NGC and PCGS are well known for making mistakes in regards to currencies and proofs, one example is an 1821 Proof TERTIO crown i sent for grading to NGC. An 1821 Crown with the TERTIO edge only exists as proof, they did not make currencies with this edge year. Of course they graded it as MS63. I sent the coin back pointing out their error and they still graded it MS63 not a proof. The coin was obviously a proof and as I mentioned with this edge can only be a proof.
The grading companies make many mistakes when it comes to British coins."  This is the original sentence  Even though they still think it is a proof coin

The best news is that they are willing to refund your money

5 minutes ago, Wampum said:

Baldwins are usually really good at sorting things out, albeit in there own time.

The coin it not a Proof, it is definitely Proof Like, and a possible early strike, however as mentioned above you have the two main factors, the centre of the rose, and the rim teeth,  

you can also tell by the edge lettering and how each letter is not so well defined  as it would be in a Proof.

I would also look at a possible reduction of fees or credit towards their next auction to cover the cost for NGC       

I can't really make out the edge fonts. It seems to me that it's just not sharp enough due to more wear and tear.

9 minutes ago, jultorsk said:

Be polite and patient. You have a case here as the coin was misdescribed as Proof, and Baldwin's should know better. Give them three days to sort this out to your favor, then send a gentle reminder and mention BNTA.

Yes, you are right. I was impatient. After all, the first time I collected classical coins, I encountered delays and ignored letters. And the result now really makes me angry. But at that time, before the results of Jinri MS came out, I had already The matter at that time is put aside, as long as the coin is not wrong and has a beautiful blue color, then I will be happy.

The current development is that even their coin director does not respond to EMAIL, but the good news is that FB responded to me, but she clarified the matter from the beginning and when I contacted them, and did not mention the consequences of the coin description error.

ok i have sent email to their   Abigail Delgado(Auction Manager, Coins)    Jordan Connelle(Head of Auctions Operations) &  the customer service mailbox still have no reply after 4 hours. i ready email to 

Neil Paisley(Managing Director, Coins)

So their own exemption clause is not really legal?

22 minutes ago, arphethean said:

A very nice coin, but sadly not a proof. A proof is struck to a much higher standard and on a different level altogether in terms of the details and the  surfaces.

It's night and day!

https://www.sovr.co.uk/products/george-iv-1821-proof-halfcrown-pf64-heavier-garnished-reverse-cm06336

 

It seems that I still need to learn more, because my eyes do look proof, and I even feel that the PF64 you posted is a bit cameo.

17 minutes ago, arphethean said:

I have twice had auction houses misdescribe items. In the first instance it was also a specialist coin auction, describing a rare silver proof panda as "as struck" where it had hairlines all over it. The other was a local auction house. In both cases a refund was offered. Shockingly in the first instance they stood by their description that the coin was as struck but gave me a refund anyway. 

I also think so, but I have doubts since they mistakenly delayed and did not give me any reply, and after all, it took many months for NGC to come back.

It's like this. I purchased lot 580 items from baldwin's auction 113.https://baldwins.co/en-GB/auction#/lots/e1b31e87-e97b-42a6-b845-768222b04315?department=BDW&lot_status=all&auction_uuid=5cec2514-7637-4f39-b576-3be0db39d6ad

The item is 1820 geroge IIII proof halfcrown.

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I'm digressing here. After I completed the payment, I waited until the payment deadline passed and found that I didn't receive the items. During this period, FEDEX can I went back and forth about 3 times. At that time, I logged into my account and found that the invoice said that I had not paid. I immediately wrote to inquire and sent other letters asking them to explain or take responsibility. The only letter I got was that the payment was completed and sent by the system. Of course, every letter I sent before the auction received an immediate reply. If you go to GOOGLE to read their comments, yes, the longest one was written by me

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Now back to the topic, this is my first time to come into contact with proof old coins. Of course, I have no experience, but I have asked them to take more detailed photos for me. I guess those should be real proofs. The first two photos are in the attachment.(The following was taken after I got the coins.) , and they have several coin experts, and it’s a large auction so it shouldn’t be wrong. At that time, I thought

OK, the coin came back from NGC. To be precise, I will receive it on Thursday, but the number is 6655103005 62
I confirm that it is my coin, but MS, in my understanding, MS and PF are the craftsmanship during casting and have nothing to do with wear and tear, etc. However, NGC gave MS
Now can I ask BALDWIN for a refund? Of course I have sent them letters, but I have a feeling they will ignore any letters from me again. Is my request reasonable? Because their terms seem to indicate that any of the descriptions are not there The scope of their responsibilities (of course I also deeply understand that they are not willing to take responsibility at all), whether such a clause can really exempt them from liability, because I read an article a while ago

https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/worlds-most-expensive-coin-fake-provenance-roman-eid-mar-1234659762/

They were caught falsifying sources and smuggling. It seems that the terms they describe are not exempt from liability. Should I call the police if they are unwilling to give any response?

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For sale My first favorite collection and only purchase from forum member sovereignsteve. 1989 5 sovereign pf70uc 6300GBP   6200GBP 2002 5 spvereign ms70dpl with box no coa 3200gbp  3000GBP 2022 memorial half sovereign pf70uc 400gbp transfer price includes postage, shipped from Taiwan, please allow one to two weeks for shipping

13 minutes ago, Petra said:

You can find a nice looking toned one un slabbed quite easily.

but before i get coin ,i cant  sure it have cameo and coin condition

3 hours ago, Petra said:

🤔😮not really asking for much are you!🤔😮😁

If you mean my designated score is not very high, I also want more than 65 points, but my wallet laughs at me😐 i just want a beautiful coin and keep all the time

Want to buy an 1847gothic crown with ngc or pcgs grade PF 63~64 cameo.     

63cameo 22600gbp.

64cameo 29400gbp.  The price is the actual amount received by the seller after deducting various fees from the auction + 5%more

If you want to sell, please send me pictures. After all, the score is the current condition of the coin and cannot actually show the damaged appearance of the coin, so I need the message picture of the coin to evaluate whether it meets my ideal. Thanks for reading.

PS:Or if you know who is selling or where there is a similar price, please let me know

       if you get a price to sell please tell me

14 minutes ago, dicker said:

Interesting.  I know one dealer who purchased an unusual gold coin and cracked it out and realised it was counterfeit but had got through PCGS / NGC.

He even has a post about it here:

https://www.sterlingcurrency.com.au/blog/news-research/proclamation-and-colonial-coins/a-jewellers-copy-of-the-british-east-india-company/

So there is a paragraph in this article, and my understanding is this: as long as it is in a real blank, the coins inside should be considered real? No wonder the other party said that if there is a problem, you should contact PCGS...

9 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

Oh dear, that is so bad, there is no chance it ever went through the PCGS, must be a fake slab.

It’s hard to say. Many people who collect Chinese coins know that a coin is fake but can successfully grade it when sent to PCGS. They have also cracked many fake coins that were authenticated by PCGS, and this version was about 15 years ago. PCGS 4.5 generation

1 hour ago, Jvc2858 said:

ouch, can you return it?

1 hour ago, Petra said:

Can you try returning it? How was it advertised? Over here I would see it being returned 🤔

It was a very small auction from the Chinese Coin Society on Facebook. NO THEY  SAY,Because it show photo before bid and win,and pcgs box is real, they say it need to ask why pcgs let a fake coin be grade

1 hour ago, Petra said:

This could be one of the hundreds of thousands of fake sovereigns that were being openly manufactured and traded in the 1950s which actually resulted in the Royal Mint changing its strategy on the gold sovereign. Most were being made in Italy and Syria and being used in the Middle East.
If you spotted all these points that you mention at the start, is there a reason why you bought it?🤔cheap?

This is a small auction here in Asia. At that time, only the front photo was clear, and the back was taken from a distance, so I missed it at the time. The front was not so rough at that time, and even when I hold it in my hand, I can’t see clearly. The three bidders (including me) all confirmed that the PCGS box history confirmed that the box and the number were correct, and they all thought that the old box was more rigorously graded, maybe he could change it to 66, and bid about 12 pounds each time until I got it. I saw George on the back. In order to highlight the muscles of the abdomen and buttocks, the rough casting almost cut George into three pieces, as did the horse's abdomen. The final price of this coin in my hands was 800 pounds.

As the title says, I was shopping online. After I actually got the item, I took a look at it. Except for the face, I couldn’t see the details on the front. The part I suspected was on the back. First, the tail end of the helmet was pointing downwards. The second one is a short ponytail, the third one is not sure if the details of the horse mane are wear and tear or a weak blow, the fourth one is that the stick on the ground is very thin and smooth, and is relatively high off the ground, the fifth one has no BP... So is it really a fake? After all, it is 15 PCGS boxes from years ago, I’m not sure if even the boxes are fake, what do you think...