HighlandTiger

This is what put me off somewhat with 212. Before I join anything, I like to know how safe that company is and how its model makes its money. If it doesn't make money, it either eventually has to change its model and its terms or doesn't survive. (I've seen it happen with other companies like Property Partner changing its model or Savingstream going down the plug hole). I can't see how making money solely on the spread or transaction charges will sustain a company indefinitely, whilst still keeping up with advancements in modern technology..
On a side note, If I had all these online investment vehicles that are around today, when I was 20, I would have retired as a multi millionaire by now. In my 20's, share ownership was impossible for the average man, (it took Sid to get the public to even consider share ownership, and if you did you only had shares in a company or two), and finding anywhere to buy PM's local to you, was almost impossible. In fact to even find out the latest gold and silver prices, you had to find the little price box in the money page of your daily paper. All you had was a savings account paying a few percent in order to boost your savings. No-one with even half a brain has any excuse today for not making themselves rich.  

If they are going into lending, then I'm definitely keeping away. I was lucky to not get burned in the lending P2P disasters of the  previous years. 

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It will be harder when the counterfeiters up their game.  
 
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This thread is the reason I won't touch slabbed coins. Every year the fakes get better and better, and I strongly believe that within 5 years fakes will be indistinguishable from the real thing unless you break open the slab and check the coin.
Just wait until 3D printing gets out of it's infancy and into its element. 

If they are going into lending, then I'm definitely keeping away. I was lucky to not get burned in the lending P2P disasters of the  previous years. 

the 20%-30% of accounts that don't lose?

This is what put me off somewhat with 212. Before I join anything, I like to know how safe that company is and how its model makes its money. If it doesn't make money, it either eventually has to change its model and its terms or doesn't survive. (I've seen it happen with other companies like Property Partner changing its model or Savingstream going down the plug hole). I can't see how making money solely on the spread or transaction charges will sustain a company indefinitely, whilst still keeping up with advancements in modern technology..
On a side note, If I had all these online investment vehicles that are around today, when I was 20, I would have retired as a multi millionaire by now. In my 20's, share ownership was impossible for the average man, (it took Sid to get the public to even consider share ownership, and if you did you only had shares in a company or two), and finding anywhere to buy PM's local to you, was almost impossible. In fact to even find out the latest gold and silver prices, you had to find the little price box in the money page of your daily paper. All you had was a savings account paying a few percent in order to boost your savings. No-one with even half a brain has any excuse today for not making themselves rich.  

212 is a good platform - cant fault it really. It earns money from CFD trading and it does well off it too.
This is the main reason I choose 212 over Freetrade. 
Freetrade was only really making money from selling the data to investment firms I think, which to me is a risk if I have parked money. 
Also the free ISA was a real benefit not to mention better selection of stocks at the time. 

Im leaving Psizer for now and watching it as I could make a few quid profit over the next week or so, need to look at the news.
I am not a fan of pharmaceutical companies mafias (not to mention rushed vaccines) so i would rather sell it and forget it tbh. 

Im getting there,  at least my account is now £300 in the green Yay. When MAG catches up it should do very well as I have a couple of grand in on that. 

For all Plus members
https://community.freetrade.io/t/brand-new-for-plus-members-earn-3-interest-on-cash/31037

Well this is a nice bonus on freetrade. They are giving 3% APR on cash holdings.
Seeing as I planned to hold a float of about £500 in cash, ready for any buying ops, this is a no brainer 
 

This thread is the reason I won't touch slabbed coins. Every year the fakes get better and better, and I strongly believe that within 5 years fakes will be indistinguishable from the real thing unless you break open the slab and check the coin.
Just wait until 3D printing gets out of it's infancy and into its element. 

Silver getting smacked down again..... I wonder where the bottom will be?

Why would I take advice from someone who looks like he spends his spare time playing D&D, and has never shaved in his life. 

Why would I take advice from someone who looks like he spends his spare time playing D&D, and has never shaved in his life. 

Silver is not a good long term investment. Look at the charts.
When the price went up 60% this year, I hope everyone got out.
 
 

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Ryan
A 2 oz silver coin plus some scratch cards
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QuickSilver
TBA
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Schnitzel
2 oz Privateer series
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BackyardBullion
100g (2020) Silver forum bar
4
TSF
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jultorsk
TBA
6
GrahamDiamond
£5 War and Peace
7
trp
2014 PCGS MS69 Wedge Tailed Eagle
8
Spanishsilver
£30 cash or PayPal
9
ilovesilverireallydo
100gm HOARD bar
10
silversurf
IOM Noble and Angel silver coins
11
Mox
Silver 1oz, 1/2oz and 1/4oz Egyptian coins
12
terakris
TBA
13
BazzaC
£50 via PayPal or cash or  2oz Queen Beast W.lion
14
SilverStan
2x random 1oz silver coins
15
Coinago
2 x 1 oz coins or £40 via bank
16
matt1r
1G Pamp Platinum Bar + Bonus Coin
17
evande
£50 Amazon voucher
18
Chrispringle85
1oz Australian Brumby + a Queen silver coin
19
Jimmock
2011 ms69 Britannia and a beautiful William Wyon proof medal
20
dicker
one lot:
(1) GBP50.00 to the winner (Payable by BT, PPFF, Cheque)
(2) A 'lucky dip' coin to be chosen by me on the day 
(3) GBP50.00 to the UK charity of the winners choice (If no particular preference, the default will be to the RNLI). He will pay directly to the charity and provide proof of payment.
21
Cadmium Green
1988 Australia 1/10 oz Platinum Koala, in original mint packaging.
22
TownCalledMalice
2020 2oz Canada Goose.
23
MintageSeller
2 x 1 oz silver random coins.
24
Grant
£30.00 PayPal
25
Abyss
1 oz 2018 Silver Britannia Quartet Metal and £25 vouchers of your choice from the selected retailers (see this member’s post for list)
26
h103efa
1) A 2018 Silver Proof Snowman &
2) A 2018 Silver Proof 10p N is for NHS
27
AgD
2017 circulated Beatrix Potter 50p's in folder and a 1oz 2017 20th anniversary trident priv Britannia.
28
Madstacks
1998 Britannia in OMP
29
Beasty666
£40 PayPal
30
Tn21
1g au bar
31
Bullionaire
£20 via bank transfer plus £20 to the charity of the winners choosing.
32
Gruff
2 x Silver 1oz 2021 Britannias or £40 paid via PP F&F if the selected winner so chooses.
33
HighlandTiger
One Gairsoppa Shipwreck Silver 1oz round. Plus a few old junk silver coins from around the world
34
Darr3nG
3 x 2018 UK 10p Silver Proof Coins from the Royal Mint's Great British Coin Hunt series.
35
RYAN05
1 oz coin and 1 oz bar for lucky winner
36
Magpie79
£35 PayPal or bank transfer
37
AndrewSL78
1g gold bar
38
dmcac
2x Britannia 2020 and 2x 1 Utah goldback
39
TSF has had to cover this ticket.
TSF took this ticket and will replace the prize with an alternative. 
 
40
damok666
1oz Silver Proof QB Greyhound, Box, COA etc
41
lacabu
£20 via Paypal plus a silver proof £1 Gurnsey coin
42
Azmanjim
2 x 1oz Silver pandas
43
Robda1986
1oz bar of winners choosing (ie Scott's Dale, ashi, American, gieger the rectangular one ect ) I'll even put it in my last capsule and an extra bit of silver
44
ProjectNeroX
1oz Aztec coin l antiqued
45
TomR92
2020 American Silver Eagle + a £5 or 5 x £1 UK scratch cards!
46
ZigZag
2oz koala no capsule
47
Tomcbol
1 oz Silver 2020 Germania Fafnir Round in capsule
48
TheBeast
2020 Swan and a 1oz Icon
49
fehk2001
Color year of monkey silver proof
50
Ixy70713
Niue 2015 $2 Chinese Lunar Calendar - Year of the Goat 1 Oz Proof
51
Rll1288
2020 Britannia 1oz BU boxed
52
Danmc82
41.5g 0.800 Silver Medal
2018 Snowman 50p change checker
3 x circulated a-z 10p's
Griffin Powerbank
53
Pampfan
2001 American Buffalo Coin and currency set.
54
Fadeingstar
TBA
55
adamthetaller
2019 oriental borders Britannia (artificially toned) Scottsdale IGWT. (See members post)
56
MikeG1978
carded 2012 britannia or another item TBA
57
Danieltira
50g silver PAMP bar
58
chasetyre
Scottsdale 1 oz Silver Back Gorilla
59
sgcoins
2014 NGC MS70 Eagle & 2009 30th anniversary Panda + some chocolates
60
Alun
any of my premium wooden boxes from stock, or planned production to the value of £50, Or £50 discount on any other box I have available.
61
ram64
2020 1oz Perth Mint Dragon Rectangular Coin/Bar
62
bestg77
2008 Britannia sealed in original mint packaging (usual toning)
63
DHunt94
1oz silver britannia & 1oz silver australian
65
rob6
a couple of interesting one ouncers.
66
GavinDevon
1oz Krusty the clown coin in a capsule. And a 1oz star wars Madalorian with out a capsule.....fresh from the tube
67
Metalmonk
1x Austrian Philharmonic with a minor milk spot and £35 cash by transfer.
68
Lr103
1/10oz gold Eagle
69
Witcher
First piece will be a one ounce Christmas Shepherds bar by SilverTowne Mint. My bonus second offer is a 1985 Engelhard Prospector 1 oz silver round. 
Or if the winner prefers, $50 USD via PayPal instead.
70
Yetiwatch
couple of generic American 1oz rounds
71
strawsforturtlesLLC
1g Geiger "Christmas" Edition
72
Alanlaw
1oz Silver Asahi bar
73
Booije
£35 paypal
74
Fifer
2 oz QB Lion Silver Coin
75
ibis09
TBA
76
DarkChameleon
£30 PayPal
77
HerefordBullyun
brand new Google nest mini. RRP 29.99
78
FiveStacks
£30 Bank Transfer or PayPal
79
BullionBob
£35 Bank Transfer or PayPal
80
jonrms
Mystery bullion prize
81
eastie
£30 PayPal/Bank Transfer or a 1oz Silver coin.
82
silverman20
mint unopened Batavia 1oz triangle bullion coin from the Royal Australian Mint or £40 bank transfer
83
Yorkshiremanc
£25 cash alternative via PayPal
84
Disentme
£25 cash or random 1oz silver coin
85
Mikeee166
1 oz 2021 brit
86
A1dyn3
2021 britannia or a 2020 coat of arms, winners choice.
87
mr1030
set of 20th century 90% U.S. coinage.  Dimes to dollars, Barber design onward.  I'll make it at least 4 oz ASW.
88
Peterheat
2011 1 oz ASE and a few pre 47 50% random
89
Silversky
I will offer a choice of 1 x 1oz Silver round from the choices below and also 1x 1oz Copper round from the choices below (please see members post for list)
90
Airgead
2003 SOLOMON ISLANDS CONCORDE 25 Dollar 1oz silver coin
91
Bucky
100g Royal Mint silver bar
92
Trumar
1 oz silver COVID-19 coin
93
Connor
1ozt silver dragon
94

You are only "down", if you actually sell them. My worse performing stock is down 21% in a month, but I'm not panicking, and I'm certainly not thinking of selling. I'm happy to wait, even if it takes years to go back into the green.
Silver has dropped 18% in less than 4 months, but I don't see anyone saying "oh poo, I need to sell it all before it goes down anymore". As I said, my mindset with shares is to treat them like my pm's, don't worry about them in the short term, and like you said, "stop looking at it everyday" if your nerves are on the jangly side. 

Not sure about gold miners, not yet anyway its possible that we have seen a top as per 2016;

https://www.gold-eagle.com/article/precious-metals-now-and-then-comparison
No one knows what will happen though. I have a theory I am confident about and have positioned a decent amount (for me) in most of the oil majors, buying all the way down to the current lows - perhaps there will be new lows soon to get rid of the now thousands in the green, but honestly who cares. I am happier looking at red every time I log on to buy as it means I am getting more shares for my money and bringing the average down - a bigger position today for tomorrow. I plan for years worth of dividends, cost averaging and compounding before I start thinking about selling at 3 figure oil price at the minimum - the same system/theory could be said for buying PM miners now, gold miners bought on the way down will look like a great buy in hindsight once we pass the 2020 highs, who knows when that will be - perhaps next year? Perhaps longer, but at some point this decade for sure imo.
Personally I can't work out the short term, I am confident with the long term picture. To action its just a matter of committing funds over a timeframe you are happy to lock them away, as others have said, it doesn't matter if a share price falls over the short term when you are looking years out. Just don't invest money that you will miss or need over the timeframe or at some point you will be shaken out.

Yep. We all do it with PM's and don't bat an eyelid. Why do you have to have a different mindset with shares. For me it's all about the long game. I'm not day trading.
If I hold £1000 of stock for 5 years and for a period of time it falls 20%, so what, because if after 5 years it has risen to be worth £1500, I would have made the equivalent of around 10% per year. But I also during those 5 years I would have had 5 years of dividends as well. Which would bump up my overall return as well. 
 

That's why I use freetrade. If you have trading account they sometimes charge you fees for being dormant

Any entry point for miners is ok given the fact we are in a 3 to 5 year bull market

Patience and not being reactionary are good but I think they're better put to use on entries
Better to miss the boat than get on and sink

You are only "down", if you actually sell them. My worse performing stock is down 21% in a month, but I'm not panicking, and I'm certainly not thinking of selling. I'm happy to wait, even if it takes years to go back into the green.
Silver has dropped 18% in less than 4 months, but I don't see anyone saying "oh poo, I need to sell it all before it goes down anymore". As I said, my mindset with shares is to treat them like my pm's, don't worry about them in the short term, and like you said, "stop looking at it everyday" if your nerves are on the jangly side.