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  1. 104 points
    ChrisSilver

    Something MEGA is coming!

    More details to be released soon, so look out for updates coming this week! But for now what I can say is that The Silver Forum will be hosting some MEGA prize draws with a massive thanks to one of our forum sponsors @RoslandGold! These are some of the biggest and most generous giveaways that you have ever come across, and may be by far the biggest precious metals draws you have ever seen! Stay tuned for more info!
  2. 75 points
    This has been planned for quite some time but has finally happened Chards Bullion have became an Official Site Sponsor. You can find their sub-forum here: https://www.thesilverforum.com/forum/104-chards-uk/ (you will need to be signed in) They have also agreed to provide Platinum Premium Members with some exclusive Platinum Premium Member only offers, these offers will be added to this sub-forum here: https://www.thesilverforum.com/forum/105-chards-uk-offers-for-platinum-premium-members/ Platinum Premium Membership can be purchased here: Should you wish to upgrade membership level or require any assistance please do not hesitate to contact @ChrisSilver Chards are one of the most established UK precious metals dealers, they have been active on the forum for several years and have been in the precious metals business for over 55 years. Their founder @LawrenceChard is also on the forum and is also a Platinum Premium Member, thank you Lawrence for your support. To contact Chards please contact them via their business account here: @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer Many thanks to @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer for becoming an Official Sponsor and we look forward to your offers
  3. 71 points
    ⚠️ We have been alerted to some suspicious activity ⚠️ ⚠️ Warning. Be aware of members asking you to contact them outside of the forum in regards to doing a trade off of the forum ⚠️ If anyone is sent / has been sent a private message in regards to doing a trade outside of the forum, e.g. a member has messaged you asking for your WhatsApp or contact number. Please can you hit the report button on the private messages so that we are then able to look into it (we do not have access to members messages unless they are reported) We strongly advise members to not communicate with members outside of the forum when doing a deal, and to use the forum private messaging feature which can then be referenced to in the future if needed. If you have noticed any suspicious activity please can you bring it to our attention by hitting the report button. Please do your due diligence when trading on the forum.
  4. 69 points
    Many thanks for everyone who is part of The Silver Forum community. We are proud to announce that we now have over 8000 members!
  5. 63 points
    richatthecroft

    Today I Received.....

    Received this 1989 Bu 5 Pound Sovereign to join my 3 coin set to form a ‘poor man’s’ 4 coin 1989 set! I haven’t bought any Sovereigns for quite some time and re-aquatinting myself with 22 Carat Gold makes me wonder why I had taken a break. I think grading these classic and special year design coins has its place- but these are staying in their presentation cases and going in that drawer in the dresser for safekeeping- you know the one, the one housing the best cutlery, the Irish Linen Napkins and the Elk Horn handled corkscrew.
  6. 53 points
    Frenchie

    Today I Received.....

    My Gold Una is there Modern and Classic beauties
  7. 52 points
    Taking some advice from @AndrewSL76 (#toomanyghosts 👻) , I'm starting a new thread to capture requests and feedback as I work on this website. A little tongue-in-cheek intro:
  8. 51 points
    5huggy

    "MINION" returns from sabbatical.😉

    back and fighting fit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would like to say - - - A SPECIAL "THANK YOU" to ALL THOSE that asked after me - - via other sources! 😉 I had a few SERIOUS issues that required ermmmm "ATTENTION of the UTMOST"! - - - Sorted now! - so sorry for what returns to the awesome forum - of TSF! the "MINION" has found NEW footing! - -in the driving seat! 😉👍 OK! SO what'd I MISS ? 😜 (shuggy)
  9. 51 points
    Roy

    NHS Charity Fundraiser

    Total raised for the NHS: £686.13 Thank you to all cash donators, to all prize donators and most of all to the NHS!! Hurrah for the Silver Forum!
  10. 50 points
    ChrisSilver

    Something MEGA is coming!

    So, over the next 12 months there will be a total of 23 extra prize draws sponsored by @RoslandGold (With a total value of over $1850 USD / 1700 euros / £1400 GBP ) Some of these draws will be for Premium Members only, some will be for Platinum and Gold Premium Members, and some will be for ALL member groups (including FREE standard members) Different Prize Draws will have different durations, some 6 months, some 3 months, some 2 months and some 1 month draws, all listed at different times. The first draws, one of which is the biggest draw we will do, a MASSIVE 1KG of silver, will be put up on the forum prize draw section sometime this week (just waiting for banner and images from @RoslandGold) These will be the first draws, they will have an expiry date of ~6 months away when they are put up. Note that other draws will be put up and some will actually end before these two draws, but these two draws below will be the first that will be put up. (Other draws you will need to wait until we release them for info on those 😜) Draw 1. WIN over 1KG of Silver! Expiry in 6 months time, entry available to all Premium member Groups. 8x1 OZ Silvercoin EC8 2019 (all different) 5x 1 OZ Silver Great Britain 20204x1 OZ Silvercoin Disney NIUE5x 1oz Kruggerrand 20203x2 OZ Silver Scottsdale Mint Round2x 1 OZ Lunar 3 Mouse 20202x Kookaburra 20201x1 OZ Silverbar PAMP =33oz of Silver! That is over 1KG of silver to 1 lucky winner! Draw 2. WIN a 1g Gold Bar! Expiry in 6 months time, a 1g Heraeus Kinebar, entry available to ALL member groups. Both of these will have FREE worldwide shipping to the winners! These draws should go LIVE sometime this week
  11. 48 points
    Well its almost upon us again, another year flown by ! Ive heard a few rumbling regarding the Christmas prize draw so thought we'd get underway for 2019 ... Anyone wanting to be entered please list your interest below, ONLY PEOPLE WHO DONATE A PRIZE WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE DRAW. DRAW DETAILS- Minimum donation is 1oz of silver or equivelent value of coins or cash of £15. Feel free to go bigger if you like. I think this is a good way to equal the prize field a little. Minimum of 1 draw per day depending interest, last draw / draws will be on the 25th of December. Each person who donates will be given a draw number. Each prize will also be asigned a number. Each day ill draw a winner and a prize using a random number generator. The prize winner and donator will be tagged to each days results and can PM eachother with postage details. The doner is to cover postage, unless the winner is happy to help out if its around the world ! THE DRAW IS ONLY OPEN TO ANYONE WHO DONATES A PRIZE. CUT OFF TO ENTER IS MIDNIGHT 30/11/2019 1st DRAW IS DECEMBER THE 1ST. **NOTE** NEW MEMBERS OR LOW ACTIVITY MEMBERS WILL BE ASKED TO SEND THERE ITEMS TO THE WINNER OF THEM BEFORE THEY RECEIVE THERES. JUST TO PROTECT EVERYBODYS INTEREST.
  12. 48 points
    richatthecroft

    Today I Received.....

    La la la...la la la....Libertad! Received these beautiful lumps of Gold in the last few days- a spotty 2011 1 Onza Bu from Atkinsons, I should add that I was aware of the Spots prior to buying- but at +3% it’s worthwhile getting the wire brush out. The 2016 & 2017 1/2 Onza PP’s from @muenzdachs thanks Sören. The two 1/2 Onza Reverse Proofs from Emanuel at @RoslandGold. The imposter is the 2018 1/2 Onza Bu, also from Rosland- a bit of a miscommunication with Emanuel saw its arrival - but the replacement 1/2 Onza PP is on its way. Just working out a way of raising the cash to keep the Bu- great sales strategy Emanuel 🙄😂 My favourite size the 1/2 Onza
  13. 48 points
    shawy2510

    Today I bought.....

    Just purchased my most expensive coin to date skint now. Single finest over both NGC & PCGS
  14. 48 points
    CadmiumGreen

    Today I Received.....

    Almost to the end of the year collection has arrived... Decided on the 2019 1/2 oz Gold Libertad BU for this year. And now for some silver treasures! From the immense talent of hand-poured Silver, @BackyardBullion, has provided me with this year’s 2019 Silver Round collection...incredible, simply incredible...TSF 5 oz Silver Hammered Round (#19/25, as selected by BYB) and two TSF 3 oz Silver Rounds (#26 and #27). And the much discussed 2019 Una and The Lion 2 oz Silver Proof. Quite a beauty that stands the test of time in design and craftsmanship. And lastly, a little fun with some Silver PEZ! A 2019 30 gram PAMP Suisse Snowman PEZ Dispenser & Silver Wafers (w/Box & COA). This is staying completely packaged to avoid any mistaking as real candy...and prevent anyone taking a potentially painful chomp into a Silver PEZ!😂 There may be one more special set arriving before the end of the year! Please stay tuned...and wishing everyone a joyous holiday season!
  15. 47 points
    Melon

    Today I Received.....

    Got some treasure 😄☠️
  16. 45 points
    Darr3nG

    Today I Received.....

    Why @BackyardBullion, you have truely outdone yourself this time...
  17. 45 points
    Numistacker

    Today I Received.....

    Today this gorgeous coin arrived. It’s not one you see often as this design was only used for part of a year as it looked the same in size to the sixpence and when people gilded those they tried to pass them off as half sovereigns. I love the ornate shield designed by Merlen Looks proof like and of course will be graded by NGC
  18. 45 points
    1 x 1970’s 100 oz silver Johnson Matthey pressed bar. Comes in original box. A rare piece that is becoming Harder and harder to find. £1800 posted special delivery fully tracked and insured. comes with original cardboard box, will add pictures tomorrow. UK buyers only please. Bank transfer only please. ** one ounce bar is for scale, not included 😆**
  19. 45 points
    Gold / Sovereigns / Checking / Fakes / Cleaning Gold Coins for Absolute Beginners Newcomers entering the world of precious metal collecting might be tempted to dive straight in and buy some gold. Everyone has heard of gold and that it is an expensive, valuable metal used in jewellery and regularly appears in television adverts as good for investment purposes. Anyone can purchase a small piece of gold and take pride in showing it to friends and family so maybe the best way to lose your precious metals ( PM ) virginity is to buy a gold sovereign or half sovereign. These coins have been around for 500 years but for most of us we can say since Queen Victoria as it is unlikely, we can afford the earlier years. Until you have in your hand both a half sovereign and a full sovereign there is a very high probability that you cannot tell the difference. Trolling a car-boot sale or an antiques shop, you spot a coin that someone tells you is a sovereign. Trust me, unless you have experience you may end up paying double the price for a half sovereign and if selling what you believe is a half sovereign ends up being a full sovereign ! Basic Data for Sovereigns and Half Sovereigns A sovereign is not pure gold which is 24 carat. Pure gold is very soft so to make a coin that is harder and will not mark easily, other metals are added and the mixed metal becomes an alloy. The primary metals used are silver, copper and zinc. The new alloy is now designated 22 carat ( 22 ct ) which is important to remember. Why is that ? When you Google the price of gold this is quoted in various currencies at the spot price. [ There are other prices like London am / pm fix, bid / ask etc. but let’s keep it simple ]. This is the traders’ value and it changes every few seconds. Your sovereign has a weight and you can value your coin using the spot price BUT your sovereign is not 100% pure ( fine ) gold – it is 22/24 by weight fine gold. Therefore your weight in fine gold is 91.66% - that is almost 10% less that you might have originally thought. Sovereign specifications have remained the same since 1817, unlike many other coins, so you can safely reference the following table. Specifications Sovereign Half Sovereign Weight 7.988 g 3.99 g Diameter 22.05 mm 19.30 mm Thickness 1.52 mm 0.992 mm ( nominal ) Typical Range of Weights 7.94 – 8.02 g 3.84 – 4.07 g Fine Gold Weight 7.322 g 3.6575 g Pictures are shown for the latest 2020 sovereign and note the coppery colour. An early Victorian sovereign is shown with the shield reverse pattern. Its colour is more of a yellow gold; what you may have seen in jewellery, other gold coins or museums. Both coins contain precisely the same amount of fine gold per the table above. The marked differences in colour are explained later. You will come across the use of the following terms used in describing all coins. The OBVERSE which is the side showing the Monarch The REVERSE is the opposite side and for the majority of sovereigns features the iconic George and the Dragon; other than the Shield ( earlier Victorian era ) which was also used in the modern 2002 coin design. When looking at other heavier coins ( and especially silver coins ) their weights are more often shown in Troy Ounces. A Troy ounce is different to a normal ounce and is 31.104 grams. To convert troy ounces to grams multiply by 31.104 and from grams to troy ounce divide by 31.104. A sovereign weighing 8 grams is 0.257 troy ounces containing 0.235 troy ounces of fine gold. As an example if gold spot is quoted at £1,397.76 per ounce that means it is £1,397.76 / 31.104 = £44.938 per gram. A sovereign contains 7.322 g of pure gold so its spot value at the quoted rate ( which can rapidly change ) is £329 Essential Basic Equipment for Collectors & Stackers If you are going to accumulate sovereigns or other precious metal coins, either as a hobby, or as an investment you should equip yourself with some basic tools. Spending £100 is inexpensive to paying £350 for a fake sovereign ! Digital Electronic Weighing Scales For sovereigns you ideally want a decent quality scale with a capacity 50 or 100 g so it has a good stable resolution of 0.01g. The latter figure is the more important and you should avoid overloading a digital scale. Initially I purchased 2 very cheap scales meeting these requirements but they were unstable and required taring every few seconds so to me too unreliable. I subsequently bought a good quality 50 g scale, as pictured, which can also weigh 1 Toz ( 31.104 g ) coins. Scales with higher capacity e.g. 100 g will enable you to accurately weigh 2 Toz silver coins like the Queens Beasts series. I have a second scale, which was inexpensive, that will weigh up to 300g as illustrated, also with 0.01 resolution, but the last digit jumps randomly so I cannot rely on 0.01 accuracy. Maybe 0.05 or slightly worse. Fortunately because I have both I can compare between the two. I use the 300g scales for heavier coins and also if I wanted to make a specific gravity test - see later. Never place a heavy weight exceeding the maximum capacity on sensitive scales or you can permanently damage them. You can start with a really cheap scale ( eBay shipped from China ) that will cost only a few pounds or you can spend around £30 and get something more reliable and stable. The cheap scales tend to drift and are less stable meaning you are constantly resetting the tare ( this is the terminology for zeroing ) but you can get lucky and get something very useable for under £10. The big question of course is how accurate are these scales ? Normally pretty good but my advice is to buy a new or uncirculated sovereign and keep it as a “standard” meaning you will be able to check all future coins against your standard. Alternatively, a calibrated weight e.g. 10g kept handy if you suspect your scales are reading incorrectly. However the cheaper weight itself may not be 100% accurate. As an example, if your uncirculated sovereign is truly 8.00 g but your scales read 8.02 g then store this coin and keep it as a “standard” for future use. Although you don’t know that your scales are reading 0.25% high, you can periodically use your reference coin to check your scales are still performing as they did when new and haven’t drifted. This is particularly important if you ever obtain a coin that seems underweight – see fakes later. Vernier Callipers This is an accurate engineer’s tool used to measure the diameter and thickness of all your coins. You will read dimensions from an engraved scale or perhaps a dial or maybe a digital display. Coin diameters are rigorously controlled and well specified so very easy to verify and spot any error. Thickness is however nominal, and your callipers will only measure rim thickness – the highest points on the coin. Sometimes on the odd coin its rim protrudes giving a false reading. You may at some stage consider procuring a micrometer to measure more reliably coin thickness in several locations and near the centre. A micrometer looks like the letter “G” and the coin is lightly clamped between its jaws to give a reading. Since a coin has a cameo ( embossed pattern ) use an average measurement taken at several places. Very useful in spotting fakes. Note a Vernier calliper is also suitable for checking fakes. If you set and lock the calliper gap to a specified coin thickness say 1.52 mm a sovereign, especially a coin with a little wear, must fit through this gap. Fakes never will but check for any unusual protruding rim before panicking. Spotting Fakes This brief section is aimed at the majority of stackers and amateur collectors. There are some fakes made with 22ct gold that would pass all these tests but fail on microscopic investigation due to minor differences in engraving. These coins will tend to be for rare dates meaning they are much more expensive than regular bullion. Only experts will spot the fakes and this article is for regular bullion coins only and not numismatic coins of high value and rareity. Many stackers are naturally concerned about buying fakes. This is especially important to newbies with no previous experience so getting familiar with the very basic measurements is critically important. If purchasing a sovereign from a well-established reputable dealer then the risk is essentially nil but if you are reading this article there is every likelihood that at some future date you will be purchasing from unknown sources. A good starting point is to have a genuine sovereign in hand to look at, feel it, weight it, note its colour and take measurements and compare with the table of specifications. Spin it on a desk and listen to the tone as it settles – not essential but building some familiarity is recommended when starting out rather than diving in blind. As mentioned earlier try to obtain a half sovereign and a full sovereign so you can familiarise yourself with both and not get them confused. Most fakes will be difficult to detect just by looking at the coin so be ready to follow the steps outlined below. Weight Compare to the table. I have included a range of weights that I found collecting many sovereigns over several years. The weight of a well-circulated or well-handled coin will be slightly less than the specified value according to the amount of wear, especially on widely circulating bullion coins say 100 years old. These coins were used as currency and passed many times from person to person and carried in pockets or pouches, maybe rubbing together with others. A low weight, outside the tolerance shown without noticeable wear is highly suspicious and requires further checks. A higher weight isn’t going to occur. Nearly all fakes will be underweight which is a good starting point. Diameter Using the vernier callipers, the coin should be the correct diameter. Anything larger say 0.5mm or thereabouts is highly suspicious. A good fake will be the correct diameter so difficult to eliminate with this measurement. Thickness Judgment is needed here because a precise thickness measurement is not really possible. This is due to the profile of the surface and also because a coin may have a variable rim. However, determining an average value is suggested avoiding the rim if it is protruding. A sovereign should pass through a gap of 1.52 mm and a slightly worn coin will pass through easily. Fakes will most probably fail this test. In the early days there was a very simple sovereign tester usually made from brass as shown in the picture below. This tester was a pivot balance with the coin placed into a circular well. The coin had to fit so if its diameter was too great it was probably a fake. If it didn’t tip the balance it was too light and therefore likely a fake. Lastly there was a slot which the coin had to pass through. If it didn’t then it was probably a fake. These quick and simple tests were reasonably good because gold has a very high density meaning it has a low volume for a given weight. A fake can be produced to the correct weight but using lower density materials, by the laws of physics, means it must have a higher volume. Volume is the product of area and thickness so if the diameter is correct the coin must be thicker. A good fake will always have the correct diameter because this is easily measured. Since there isn’t an alternative base metal, or cheaper than gold metal, to substitute for gold, a fake will usually be both underweight and thicker trading between the deviations of both hoping they go undetected. Having confirmed weights and dimensions another test for further verification which is difficult to cheat is the specific gravity test. As mentioned the main unreliability of verification is thickness, so having a further test is worth considering although this is more involved and takes some care. Specific Gravity Measurement This can get quite technical but essentially specific gravity is a number that determines the average density of the item being tested. It can then be matched up to a table to determine the purity of possible gold and silver content. Fine Gold 99.9% pure has a specific gravity of 19.3 and fine silver 10.49. These numbers are also known as densities measured grams per cubic centimetre. One quick and simple way to measure SG is to use precise electronic scales and carefully follow these steps in order. This worked example was undertaken for a 1 oz fine silver coin 1. Weigh your coin on an electronic scale in grams and record the number e.g. 31.2g 2. Place a paper ( or lightweight ) cup ( e.g. vending machine ) on the scales and fill half full with cold water 3. Tare ( i.e. zero ) the scales 4. Make a cradle / simple cross using very fine thread leaving about a 30 cm length free to hold and suspend your coin. Now dip it into the water ensuring it is completely submerged and not touching the bottom 5. Read the scales and record the number, e.g. 2.97g 6. Now calculate the ratio using your 2 numbers e.g. 31.2 / 2.97 = 10.5 7. Look up the value in the table below which confirms fine silver. This is a fairly accurate measurement so you should be working within about 1-2 % error. A fake will be way off the value by 10% or more. Metal Density Gold 19.3 Silver 10.4 to 10.6 Platinum 21.4 Palladium 12.0 Copper 9.0 9ct 10.9 to 12.7 14ct 12.9 to 14.6 18ct Yellow 15.2 to 15.9 18ct White 14.7 to 16.9 22ct 17.7 to 17.8 Sterling Silver 0.925 10.2 to 10.3 950 Platinum 20.1 Tungsten 19.25 This gets a little bit more complicated measuring a gold sovereign. All sovereigns and half sovereigns are 22 carat gold which is exactly in the ratio of 22/24 by weight. The other 2 parts of the 24 are either silver or copper or maybe even a mix of both and may contain a small amount of zinc. A sovereign weighing 8.0 grams therefore will contain 22/24 x 8 = 7.333 g of gold with 0.667 g other metal. There probably is a mathematical formula to calculate the SG of 22 ct gold but we cannot know the alloy composition to gain a precise number better than the table shows. Whilst the SG test works well for silver due to it's relative low value and the possible cost of ensuring a counterfeit passes this test, it's totally different for gold which has a close density replacement in the form of tungsten. The SG test alone cannot be used without other tests on gold bars where it is widely known that there could be centre rods of tungsten or maybe a thick plating of gold on a piece of tungsten. The price of tungsten is less than 0.1% that of gold so replacing cores of gold in larger bars can be extremely profitable for counterfeiters. Colour Small quantities of silver lower the lustre / tint whereas copper greatly enhances it. Older sovereigns alloyed with silver are a lighter yellow – more characteristic of the expected gold colour, whereas the new sovereigns look browner and have a high lustre that looks like a varnish coating. Comparing the two types side by side would perhaps make a newbie think the browner coin is a fake. Hardness The Mohs scale ( number range 1 – 10 ) is used to rank materials on their hardness with 1 being soft and 10 the hardest. A material with a higher Mohs number can scratch all materials having a lower number. Pure gold and silver are considered soft so that’s why other metals are alloyed to make them much more resilient. Some examples – Common metals Precious metals Aluminum 2.5 - 3 Gold 2.5 - 3 Copper 3 Silver 2.5 - 3 Lead 1.5 Platinum 4 - 4.5 Steel 4 - 4.5 Tin 1.5 Tungsten 7.5 Zinc 2.5 Diamond 10 Malleability of Metals Malleability is the ability to deform under pressure without breaking - compressive stress used in pressing coins during the minting process. A high malleability means the metal will form and take up a pattern much easier than a low malleability metal. Gold is the most malleable of all metals. A gram can be beaten into a sheet of 1 square meter. Gold leaf is thin enough to become transparent. Silver is also very malleable. Due to its hardness and that tungsten can be very brittle unless very pure, tungsten is a difficult metal to work compared to others. Cleaning Gold is inert and will not tarnish or rust. This means that there is almost no chemical agent, acid, solvents, detergents etc that will harm gold making it easy to clean grubby coins. Ultrasonic cleaning is a vibration method of shaking off dirt that has accumulated in grooves and on the edges of features. This is a good way to clean coins. Because sovereigns contain other metals like copper, strong acids may affect a coin by dissolving or reacting with the alloys. There is an acid mix called Aqua Regia that will totally dissolve gold and is used in recovering gold from electronics etc. This is a mixture of approximately 25% concentrated nitric acid and 75% concentrated hydrochloric acid which is a highly active cocktail with a short shelf-life as it decomposes quickly releasing toxic gases. Possibly the best way of cleaning a grubby old bullion sovereign is to use a soft toothbrush and scrub it in hand hot water with washing up liquid. Proof Sovereigns Proof coins are minted in a different way to regular bullion coins and many sellers on especially eBay describe shiny looking coins as proofs when they are not. A proof sovereign has an incredibly sharp cameo with very sharp detail contrasted against a highly polished background. Many proof coins purchased from eBay and even popular dealers unfortunately can have finger marks or greasy stains and spots – just breathing on one of these coins can affect it. Small damage and fine scratches are easily spotted when viewing a coin at a grazing angle of incidence in strong light. Some people are tempted to dust a proof coin and even using a soft haired brush, if the dust particle like a tiny speck of sand is wiped across the gold surface it will leave a scratch – remember the Mohs scale ! It is not advised to attempt to clean proof coins or coins with any premium over bullion. However, if you have obtained a nice proof at near bullion price which has fingerprints or spots then you may wish to try and remove these marks. Because nothing can harm gold you can experiment with solvents and cleaning agents but introducing fine scratches is a real possibility. A suggested method for removing or partly removing finger marks and handling spots is to prepare a shallow bath of acetone and holding the rim of the coin submerge and oscillate the coin so the surfaces are washed in the acetone. Rinse in running water and immediately pat dry using a soft paper towel. Do not wipe or rub prior to rinse washing as microscopic grit will leave hairline scratches. If there are still marks present, then you may try a small amount of “Peek” or chromium metal polish on a cotton bud and see if you can remove the spot or stain. Wash in detergent using the wave method, then wipe with a wet soft cotton ball if necessary, before immediately patting dry. What is a Good Price for a Gold Sovereign ? A regular bullion gold sovereign is no more than 7.322 g of pure gold which most bullion dealers and coin sellers’ price as scrap metal. That seems pretty unfair but the dealer wants to sell your coin and has to cover costs and hopefully make some profit. There are however some sovereigns that have either a unique reverse design or are scarce so prices will vary enormously. Leaving those aside a dealer will value your gold at around 97-98% of spot at the time you are seeking a quotation or checking on-line. Buying the same sovereign will likely cost you spot + 5% or maybe even more. That means the dealer is working on a spread of around 8% in this example. This is the situation at the time of writing this article with gold at a historic high price. There is global panic due to Coronavirus-19 and gold is being bought by the bucket load so dealers are able to squeeze more margin out of panicked buyers who don’t seem to care too much about the price – just get me some gold ! Buying and selling on the SilverForum will typically see a sovereign sold and bought close to spot or maybe spot + 2 % or thereabouts. Several years ago, a typical dealer would buy your gold at 98.5% of spot and sell sovereigns for spot + 2% meaning their spread was less than 4%. That doesn’t happen any longer with these dealers, so as a guide buying one or a small quantity of sovereigns expect to pay spot + 5%, or less if prepared to buy from private sellers and forum members. As for proofs then 10 years ago you might expect to pay 20 - 30% or more premium for a proof. Today there is very little difference in ‘value’ compared to bullion. However, many dealers will list their proof coins and boxed coin sets at bullion prices + 50% or much more because they can and someone might naively pay their price, not caring because the date or set is for a special gift where the intrinsic value is of no consequence. Selling even a low mintage boxed proof set of gold sovereigns to any dealer you will be offered scrap value only so be careful when choosing your gold. "Happy Hunting" and use the forum to ask questions and look out for gold bargains which you will definitely miss unless you are a Premium member. All the best deals happen very quickly on the forum and listings are hidden for a couple of days to give Premium members first viewings and good deals will be snapped up. Further Detailed Information on Sovereigns Should you have a more serious interest in sovereigns and need detailed information about the many variations, dies, mints etc. there is a good reference book available. This is not ‘comfort’ reading but for serious collectors it is probably the best. Author is Michael Marsh and the ISBN 978-1-908828-36-1 revised 2017.
  20. 45 points
    Roy

    NHS Charity Fundraiser

    Charity Fundraiser in aid of the NHS The Silver Forum Prize Draw Inspired by Captain Tom Moore and the all the hard work put in by the NHS, I decided to make a donation. Then I thought, why not have a little fun and raise some money (and morale!) by having a Silver Forum prize draw? Collectively, I hope we can make a significant donation to the NHS Charities. From the website: https://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/fundraiser-display/showROFundraiserPage?userUrl=ClapForOurCarers&pageUrl=2 Our amazing NHS staff and volunteers are working tirelessly to care for COVID-19 patients. And we want them to know the country has also got their back. We are so proud and in awe of NHS staff and volunteers as they work tirelessly to save lives! This means staying away from their homes and families, working day and night, to treat as many people as possible in need of care. We, the nation, can help. Let's show our gratitude and respect for the frontline NHS, and together beat this virus. As NHS staff and volunteers look after COVID-19 patients in their greatest hour of need, we can help take care of the well-being of our NHS people. AND YOU CAN HELP! Donations could: 1) Fund well-being packs/gifts for staff and volunteers on wards/departments (this could include food deliveries, high energy/protein bars/drinks, snacks, refreshments, wash kits, overnight stay kits. Cost of travel, parking, accommodation for NHS staff and volunteers Volunteer expenses. 2) Support isolated patients through providing devices to communicate with friends and family whilst in hospital or isolating. 3) Longer term mental health support of NHS staff, volunteer, patients and their families. 4) Help patients leave hospital quickly and safely and remain or stay out of hospital. By making a minimum £5 donation to the above link and sending me a screenshot or forwarding an email receipt, I will allocate your name a number which will go into a prize draw. Use your TSF user name as a reference. So far, the prizes offered are: 1 @Roy 2015 £50 Britannia 2 @richatthecroft 'Numistacker' N-NHS 10p 3 @ChrisSilver 1/2oz Perth Mint BU Series 2 year of the Goat 🐐 1/2oz Perth Mint BU Series 2 year of the Tiger 🐅 (see below) 4 @Darr3nG 2019 Silver Eagle (see below) 5 @Notafront4adragon 2019 Tuvalu Black Flag series Queen Anne's Revenge. (see below) 6 @InvestInCoins888 United Kingdom Millennium Silver Collection (see below) 7 @BackyardBullion Hand poured silver 'Laser Hallmarked' (see below) 8 @adamthetaller 1oz Atlantis mint bar and the uncirculated Year of the Rat Australian $1 coin. (see below) 9 @grongla 2016 Somalia Elephant (see below) 10 @BackyardBullion 2019 100g hand poured silver bar (no.100 of 100) (see page 2) 11 @AndrewSL76 2020 Queen half ounce silver proof coin (see pg.3) More prizes would be fantastic! Contact me please. 👍 So far, each donation has the chance of winning one of nine prizes!. The draw will be made using a random number generator on Saturday 25th April at 2pm UK time. All members of all countries are welcome to join in. The Silver Forum is a global forum, therefore global entry! Terms and conditions: Prize delivery will only be possible when it is reasonably safe to do so. Your patience will be appreciated. You can only win one prize. This is a community draw and repeat numbers will be drawn again.
  21. 45 points
    TheGoldSovereign

    Today I Received.....

    If you're going to get into slabbed coins, buy in bulk!
  22. 45 points
    Mr Fedex has just delivered this from Greece. Thanks SvCollector
  23. 44 points
    richatthecroft

    Today I Received.....

    Centenario Tuesday. Received this México 50 Pesos today. And thank you @Abyss for the 1/4oz Gold Standard coins.
  24. 44 points
    mr-dead

    Today I Received.....

    Thanks to @BackyardBullion for creating this Gairsoppa shipwreck recovered silver hand poured bar and round. The bar is just over 1kg at 1075g The hammered round is also Gairsoppa silver at 5.05oz and is designed as a tribute to the Bombay Mint stamp on the orignal 1000+ oz bars sunk then recovered. The wooden box is an ebay cheap one with a 3D printed insert I designed, printed then flocked for a smooth velvet feel. The QR code takes you to BYB's pouring video on YouTube and it also contains a micro SD card with hi-res images, videos and forum links to the bars creation process for provenance.
  25. 44 points
    h103efa

    Today I Received.....

    Been a bit excited for the last few weeks, but today I finally received this 30 g golden beauty! Hugest of thanks to @Marc Long story short, i'm a bit of a fan of The Phoenix (sentimental place from my uni+ days), hence my collecting of most things Phoenix such as the dragon and phoenix coins here! https://thesilverforum.com/topic/11158-today-i-received/?do=findComment&comment=247324 During my many discussions with @Marc i told him about my affinity for Phoenix coins and he showed me one he had. From that moment i wanted it. Just loved the super design with the Phoenix and obviously the gold! I've got to learn more about the history behind it too. I think he was very reluctant to let it go, but i'm chuffed he did! Here its is, A 30 g (¥100,000) gold proof (PF70) coin commemorating The Enthronement of Emperor Akihito (Heisei). This emperor recently abdicated, the first time an emperor has done so in over 200 years. They are not rare coins, about 100,000 of them in proof, but they are very scarce outside of Japan. Now that the emperor has abdicated they probably hold a bit more historical significance! There's quite a story about the Japanese 20 g gold coin from this era, but maybe @Marc can tell that story in another post!
  26. 43 points
    TheGoldSovereign

    Today I Received.....

    Start of my half sov run
  27. 43 points
    richatthecroft

    Today I Received.....

    This trio of México Gold has brought some light to a murky Yorkshire day. A 1926 50 Pesos Centenario, a 1959 (Restrike)Veinte 20 Pesos & a 1907 Diez 10 Pesos. The Cinco 5 Pesos is en route. This trio joining the 1946 Centenario and Dos Pesos, only a 2 1/2 Pesos to source.
  28. 43 points
    Here is the completed project. It took some time to get all the coins - but I think this is a good first start to a world silver coin collection. I am now working on the ngc version with coins I couldn’t find at decent prices in pcgs holders. all coins in 70 condition and 1 ounce of silver.
  29. 43 points
    CadmiumGreen

    Today I Received.....

    Received a good collection of US Gold...Huge “Thanks!” to @ZGrizzlyWord for the additional 2016 Centennial Gold coins. Firstly, the stunning 2016-W 1/4 oz Gold Standing Liberty Quarter Dollar Centennial. Also, the diminutively attractive 2016-W 1/10 oz Gold Mercury Dime Centennial. Had to go for a little pre-33 coinage as well, with the latest addition of this beautiful 1899 $5 Liberty Gold Half Eagle! And to round out the gold with a touch of silver, in compliment of the 2016-W 1/4 oz Gold Standing Liberty Quarter Dollar Centennial, a grand original 1917 Standing Liberty Quarter Type-1 in BU!
  30. 42 points
    Frenchie

    Today I Received.....

    The beautiful Una and the Lion I have tried to take new shots today with a better light in order to highlight the quintessence of this beauty I have a special feeling with this coin
  31. 41 points
    adamthetaller

    Today I Received.....

    Some very fancy coins today, 4 of the 5 Eternal Sculptures from PowerCoin - just waiting for the final one to be released in a month or so to complete the set.
  32. 41 points
    Kookaburracollector

    Today I Received.....

    Just taken delivery of a magnificent 7 Coins, from over the pond! Peruvian Una Libras..Sovereigns of South America! 🇵🇪
  33. 41 points
    5huggy

    Today I Received.....

    WELL a "MEGA" THANKS from me to @Numistacker - a for the work done and super service! WHAT an AMAZING set of results - To say "IM CHUFFED" is a little understatement! Another thanks to @morezone as the extra box purchased was needed! HERE WE GO! - - - > > > > FULL 3 COIN SET at PF70 - wow! 1 and 1/2 suite! WOW! nice YEAR ADDITIONS! - again WOW! This one from KDG - CYPRUS! And boy did I need @morezone extra storage box!!
  34. 41 points
    ilovesilverireallydo

    Today I Received.....

    Had to dig beneath the sofa and in car To put together my last change! Thank you @rob6
  35. 41 points
    Frenchie

    Today I Received.....

    My 6 coin gold proof set Britannia 2014 is now at home. I was so fortunate to get this rare set and moreover, it was a really great, nice and straightforward deal with @gizmo1947, thanks to him. This set now joins my other beautiful 3 gold coin premium set, I bought a few months ago, thanks to @Numistacker , and my silver coins. Now I just miss the 5oz Gold (with a low premium of course !) Did I say that I love these 2014 Britannia ?
  36. 41 points
    StackSellRepeat

    Today I Received.....

    So this is the gem I picked up today, If you know me I love VINTAGE. Seen this gem & I had to have it, who needs two kidneys aye This is my oldest 🇬🇧 SILVER BULLION bar which was born in London in the 60s, Father - Johnson Matthey - Mother (UNKNOWN). Comes in It’s original old wooden crate dated 1968, Folk this is over half a century old 🙌
  37. 41 points
    richatthecroft

    Today I Received.....

    Received these three beautiful coins today. Apologies for the photos- very poor light and iPhone camera not the best. The 200th SOTD Matte Anniversary Albert Celebration Sovereign & the Silver Victoria 200th Anniversary Silver £5. First impression is that the RM Quality Controller has served me well. And as always, thanks go to @terakris for the 2005 Sovereign- you can never have enough 2005 Sovereigns.
  38. 40 points
    adamthetaller

    Today I Received.....

    My prize from the NHS charity fundraiser has arrived, thanks to @Roy for organising and @BackyardBullion for donating such a good prize!
  39. 40 points
    richatthecroft

    Today I Received.....

    Unusually, it’s not Mexican- dropped on the doormat today from Atkinsons and swiftly hidden away from the Missus, before I got throttled. It’s a stunner 😯
  40. 40 points
    Lr103

    🎅 2019 Christmas Prize Draw 🎅

    I'm in this year as well, with the same prize as last year! 2018 1/10oz gold Eagle.
  41. 40 points
    MikeG1978

    Today I Received.....

    Had these lovely sets of proof libertads turn up today 😍 possibly start of an addiction they are stunning
  42. 39 points
    shawy2510

    Today I Received.....

    This beauty has just arrived from America This is now my favourite coin I have currently
  43. 39 points
    daca

    Today I Received.....

    Newest addition to the stack.
  44. 39 points
    Abyss

    Today I Received.....

    Received two Gold coins from Chards today, 1 oz Gold Britannia 2008 (+4.25% spot) and Mexican 50 Pesos (+1% spot). Final picture all the coins received this week (averages just under 3% over spot) and I am still hunt for 1 oz Gold Britannia 2001/2003 and 2007 to try and complete date run 1 oz Gold Britannia's that have unique designs in bullion.
  45. 39 points
    Sovereign

    Today I Received.....

    1oz Reverse Proof Buffalo thanks @morezone 2002 back from grading thanks @Numistacker
  46. 38 points
    shawy2510

    Today I Received.....

    Just waiting to hear back from Chris about opening up a Half Sov photo thread. Any Platinum members who would prefer a Half Sov thread seperate to a Full Sov thread please could you add your vote on the Platinum section poll. Here is a preview Ranger
  47. 38 points
    Abyss

    Full Stack / Full Collection Photos

    Visited my safety deposit box today and put the recently acquired Gold with the rest of the Gold stack. Don't visit Safety Deposit box that often maybe once a year and took opportunity to take some photos. Gold bullion occupying 25% space in the box the remainder family jewellery. Still enough room in the box to add another 40 oz Gold in Royal Mint tubes to finish off Queens Beasts series. Gold bullion square red box total 74.25 oz.
  48. 38 points
    ilovesilverireallydo

    Today I Received.....

    Last nights poker game couldn’t have gone much worse- was £400 down and had to walk away. Luckily placing my last 50 on a 3card poker game yielded a surprisingly decent straight flush which paid out my losses and then some! Hightailed it out and this morning picked up these beauties.
  49. 38 points
    SovTracker

    Today I Received.....

    Not all "Received Today" but seen for the first time together today... now on the way back to the Bank. Apologies for the quality of the pictures (taken by hand with my Mobile) that don't do the coins justice. Any marks you think you might see are on the plastic cases as the coins are 100%. I've also got all the Boxes and Certificates for all of these coins. If anyone has either a 1979 Proof or 1996 Proof Full Sovereign that they no longer need that they feel would Grade as a perfect 70 (or if you have one already graded 70) please get in touch as that would help me complete my 1979 to 2019 date run all in Proof 70 Grade. All of my set are PCGS except for 2 which I will get Crossed Over to PCGS.
  50. 38 points
    TheGoldSovereign

    Today I Received.....

    1886-M, 1887-M - The two rarest of all Shieldback sovereigns. Finally have the pair 😍👌


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